various discussions on Islam

Your use of this term for black people is offensive. Unless that is truly a quote and not something manufactured by yourself.

Blame the victim? The machete toting mob demanding her death are blameless but the posssibly naive but well meaning victim of their baseless hatred should be pilloried?
Interesting outlook you have there, jeaguer. :roll:

 

Jag, so your saying that the richest countries in the world should just sit by and let the poorest get poorer?

 

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Amongst the well thinking , socially aware member of the western intelligentia , there is an overwhelming arrogance to shoulder the white man ( woman ) burden and bring the light to those poor benighted souls cast in darkness ,
they see their good works as some form of social sacrifice , patronizing in the extreme and based on the belief that they have the truth and those poor puppies in the windows are just waiting to be enlightened :evil:

It see their moral charges as innocents victims who really do not know what they do
..... unspoken translation " they are dusky morons but we can improve them and we will TEACH THEM "

I hold all humans to be equally accountable for their actions and to be dirt poor and living in a pretty backward society no excuse or impediment to be responsible for one's action ,
all men ( women ) have themselves to answers to first , to be treated as irresponsible because ignorant of someone else teaching is demeaning and treating them as children , it also ignore the facts that those people had no problem working out how to use a Kalashnikov or the rules and procedures of the united nations

A bastard is a bastard no matter how or where ,
there is enough good and just people even amongst the worst off to make one believe in the possibility of human dignity

this woman left her brain in england , she said that she wanted some adventure and got the shock of her life when the ground openned under her
discovering that in Sudan she was very much the foreigner
She was very lucky to have the nanny state to bring her back


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I went to a car boot on sunday and bought a teddy for £10......
I sold it yesterday for £20..................
Now I have Muslims after me for making a prophet out of a teddy!

 

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Oh, brother! :roll:

Men have been executed for less than that, Merlin!

 

Teddy

Good job she didn't call the teddy 'Max Factor'...............
She'd have got longer lashes for that! :lol:

 

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Oh. good grief!

 

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Putting her in a Sudanese prison was bad but deporting her to Liverpool was well out of order!

 

lol ,merlin and lol again!..

jeag , africa is a backward and often pitiful place , sefless white people have been working and dieing in africa for a hundred years trying to make conditions better for thousands of africans .missionarys ,docters ,aid workers ,teachers ,ect .what ever could be wrong about that ?

 

Getting back to Muslims...


I was handed a pamphlet by a fully-masked Muslin girl the other day, advertising a conference called "Innocent until proven Muslim" and basically about how Muslims are being unfairly targetted in anti-terror operations.

On the back, under the heading "Criminalisation of Muslims" it had a list of facts, some of which were completely irrelevant to the point they seem to be trying to make, but some of which are interesting:

Hmm.... discuss.

 

A lot depends on what they count as terrorist acts and without these details it's difficult to assess the accuracy of these claims. I'd be interested at a more detailed breakdown of the Terrorist attacks they claim for the UK, the only non-Muslim seperatist terrorists I can think of have all been remarkably quiet and I can't think of 1 reported terrorist attack by Irish republicans in the last few years.

For instance, attacks by animal rights extremists on people or installations involved in animal testing (Or similar attacks by pro-life extremists on abortion clinics) for example could well be considered Terrorism under a fairly broad definition (Regardless of whether they caused loss of life or injury or not), however any perpetrators caught would be only likely to face normal criminal charges.

If this is the case (And I can only assume that it is), then a major difference between the two is that the Islamist's plans often seem to involve massive loss of innocent life, the greater the loss, the better, whereas the animal rights/prolifers tend to be effectively mostly acts of organised vandalism and attacks on property.

I find it interesting that the passage refers only to 2006, my bet is that the figures wouldn't look quite so rosy if you extended that back to 2005.

Frankly I have little sympathy for the Muslim community feeling victimised in all this, attention was focused on anyone with any Irish background for decades because on the whole it was the Irish causing the deaths. Now they're behaving themselves on the whole and the only major attacks in Europe that have caused large scale loss of life have been carried out by Muslims, whilst some extremist preachers are publicly extolling the virtue of the Jihad and killing British soldiers and civilians, and then they wonder why attention is focused in their direction... :roll:

They'd have a point if terrorist attacks by Buddhist or Sikh extremists were becoming a problem.

 

BTW, might this one not be better off in the member's lounge since it's not really a non-WW2 history debate?

 

iirc ,there have been some 7000 attacks since 911 carried out by muslims in the name of islam resulting in death or maiming of non muslims worldwide .jihad might be a persons inner search for god but it also carries a darker meaning which results in explodeing trains ,planes and automobiles .

this current muslim pr campaign is all about trying to make it illegal and a hate crime to point out any muslim malfeasance and to
paint any westerner who is concerned about muslim attitudes or violence as a raciest , this pr action is simply a kind of jihad light , pretend muslims in europe are victims of bigotry .ie . grieg points out that sudanese mobs wish to hack apart a brit school marm for misnameing a stuffed toy ,smeg helpfully points out that greig is therefor most likely a raciest ...repeat after me ,ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE . keep repeating till you are no longer a raciest .

what , your concerned about muslim terror ? you must be islamaphobic and intolerant .and remember, it is approved koranic doctrine to use deception, chicanery ,fraud and ambush against non muslims in order to obtain the ultimate victory ..i think the word for this is taqueya . lieing to and cheating muslims is still a sin .doing these things to kaffirs is entirely sin free and is in fact endorsed by the prophet himself .

 

Please prove it.

 

Well kinda going back to woodys post on "find any non-muslim site that preaches hate" just look at the west buro baptist church.

http://www.godhatesfags.com/

there official website.

 

looks to me like the wbc hates fags and thinks they are going to hell ...the koran is chockablock with advise on how to deal with pesky christians ,jews ,atheists , animists , heck any kinda ists ...

all ifidels are welcome to convert to islam ..or , they can be second class citizens without any civil rights and pay a huge head tax evey year , or ,they can die ...either way the prophet clearly wants all peoples worldwide liveing in blissfull adhereance to allah .

does the nutball wbc advocate the killing of non christians ? , their signs say fags are going to hell ,but i think the wbc wouild stop short of actually SENDING them there . mohamid actually advises sending infidels to hell right away unless they submit to allah ..

 

tiso , i dont know how to post stuff from other websites , if i get you the book and page from koran , haditha and surats , would you post them here ?

then we can argue wether they are correct translations from the ancient arabic which i understand our own merlin speaks and reads fluently .my modern arabic is a bit rusty and the ancient stuff , forgedaboutit ..

 

Lets put things into persepective,

There are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world and we've had 7,000 attacks in 6 years of 'War' and many tens of thousands dead (most of them Muslims in the Middle East). These poor souls are as much the victims of war as those who died on 9/11... I don't think I need to rattle off any numbers to tell you that it is Iraq, not America, who has suffered the most from this conflict, and I don't see any reason why the Islamic 'man on the street' as you say, would be any more an enemy to America than the average American is an enemy to him... What is it which separates him? His Religion? There should be no problem with allowing an individual to subscribe to a religion of their choice, so long as they do break the law... That is the secular legal approach taken here in the west, though as you say Woody, many Middle Eastern countries do not allow the same freedom of religious practise to their citizens... But seeing as these countries have little or no democratic process I fail to see why this would reflect poorly upon the people who do not decide the direction their country is taking, and are restricted in their religious choices...

America & Co. are at war with certain Terrorist organisations, not with the entire Islamic world itself... How does the actions of these organisations and these Middle Eastern 'rogue states' reflect poorly upon 1.5 billion Muslims who have no bearing whatsoever of the actions of terrorists and their governments? You tell me...

I hope as much as anyone that this conflict never comes to my doorstep, however it is painfully obvious that we are not dealing with some climactic World War III event... These terrorists have the capability to blow up a few trains, but not to bring a country to its knees as they express the desire to do... As far as I am concerned those who try to paint this as some conflict compable in scale to World War Two, or this "Is Islam the next Hitler?" shit, is not only intolerant, it is disrespectful to the memories of the 60 million people who died in the struggle against a far greater evil...

 

smeg , i agree that muslim terrorists do not speak for the entire muslim world and that they are not a threat like hitler or stalin was . however modern science and travel has made it quite possible for a few dedicated muslims to deliver by suitcase a mass murder which would make pearl harbour or 911 seem laughable by comparisi . the fact that millions of muslims dont wage jihad on the kaffir does not change the fact that they are clearly advised to do so by a text which is the unadulterated word of allah himself .


the notion that the average muslim in the street would be more moderate than his sheik or king if only he could vote his will is patently absurd . as we have seen again and again ,the will of the common man has been a rabid theocracy when ever there has been a shift in power ,afganistan ,iran ,iraq ,egypt ,the former soviet stans , ect . and pakistan is on the brink ,as we speak .

.if the comman man had his way in sudan that brit schoolmarm would have been dragged from her cell and hacked to peices .name me one muslim nation that has moved from a hidebound theocracy to secular and liberal govt , in the past 50 years .

 

But where? Quote chapter & verse (an English translation will do) and provide context.

Um, please notice that all of these nations became rabid theocracies after a coup.

Name one muslim nation that has had free & fair elections in the same time period.

I can - Iraq. And with what result?