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Discussion in 'Post-World War 2 Armour' started by Jens Knudsen, Oct 6, 2006.

  1. sinissa

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    NATO forces in bosnia was protectet like white bears.There was no attack on NATO forces generaly coz it was ordered not 2 do that.But i sow video how serbian soldiers shoot down Mirage 2000 with Strela 2M (Shoulder AA launcher) ower the Sarajevo,i allso know for F-16 shoot down with same weapon,( r maybe it was Igla).Generaly our weapons r outdated indeed,but in NATO agression 99' ur combat skills was shown,for nearly 3 month we got werry small losses,not by NATO,usualy by Albanian terrorist.We lost 4 tanks (NATO claim ower 50,but they hit mostly models) and nato say that they destroyed 28 MIG-29 (we had 14, two was 2-seats trenagees,5 was out off functions,and we still got MIG-29 in ur army) with shooted down over 20 NATO planes and chopers,including "invisible" F-117A.They allso claim that apaches AH-64 was crashed coz technical problems,but i sow video how we shoot down one off AH-64. Remember serbia is not Iraq where u can hunt mans in sand ,serbia is highly tree cowered with alot mountains,so all what NATO does was killing the civilians (ower 1000 dead civilians),destroying the bridges,factories (they bomb chemichal factory in my town,what is prohibited by geneva convention,and used cluster bombs,allso prohibited,in my town cancer was myltiplyed 20x from 1999.)
     
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    And yet we still won the war, Serbia pulled out their troops from kosovo, that was the goal, so we won. (and I dont believe one meter in any seerbian propoganda that you can come up with, I have seen claims that the serbians should have had shot down a danish F-16 in kosovo, well they did not, all our plans flew home on their own engine power and all the pilots came home alive, and dont come and say that NATO hide information about losses, you cant hide that kind of information in the westen world wherer there is freedom of speech, families would start to ask questions if their familie members did not returned home with out a word)

    But I was not talking about the 1999 war in Kosovo, I was talking about the war in Bosnia in 1994
     
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    no,20 aircraft r i think close correct number,coz NATO admited only 2,serbs clame around 80,so bouth telling us farrytales internet is full of crash sites,so u can check by urself.Allso 2 F-117A was amaged and the crash-land in bosnia.But i was there,and active so i know what heapened in that thime.Btw,dont compare Serbian army (higly organized and profesional) and Bosnian Serbs army (common folks,natives from there).And as i read on that site,most casualtys was done but luckey shoot in ammo dump.
     
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    sinissa:
    Perhaps you can share some stories of your life in the Serbian Army. Frankly, I see no difference between them and the "rag-tag" Bosnians.

    My understanding is we--the USA--were there as part of a multi-national UN peacekeeping effort to stop ethnic cleansing, and that whole ugly scene associated between "two tribes" with a history of hating each other..

    You seem to revel in the fact that peacekeepers were killed, and an F-117 and F-16 were shot-down. Good for you.

    Interestingly, I met a Bosnian-Serb couple over a Christmas dinner some years back while the war was being waged. Both were professional people. They came to the USA hating Americans, and were patiently waiting for spilled American blood to help restore their country... so they could return to making lots of money after we left.
    And hating Americans.
    I didn't think much of them either.

    Tim
     
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    it sound like nationalism founded on the hate over another people (in this case the americans)....where have we heard that before???
    ah yes, in Germany in the 1930s and early 40s
     
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    Peacekeepers over serbia? I dont think so,as i said serbian army did not attack UN forces in bosnia,but there is not excluded that some1 do it withouth orders,coz there tings was pretty much not organised.They shooted down it ower Serbia,and that was NATO not UN forces,coz UN newer give green light for NATO campain ower serbia,so it was act off agression.And there was no history off hating between serbs and muslims there,we lived nice and peacefly,but problem in bosnia was that no nation was huge majority,and there was 3 sides,not 2.Im good friend with some bosnian muslims,they r nice ppl,not much diferent then i am,and i really know that that was not their fault for war,same as i know that was not my fault.I did not fight in bosnia r croatia,i newer spilled a blod,but i was there 1999.
     
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    Serbian forces may not have "attacked UN forces" eh ? What about the Medak Pocket ? Read up on that one...
    http://www.cda-cdai.ca/library/medakpocket.htm


    And how many Canadian blue berets lost life and limb to Serbian mines ?

    Dont get me wrong both sides were guilty

    Dont knock the Danish military me boy. They may not be the biggest kid on the block by they can defend there yard if you catch my drift.
     
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    Oh,man serbian mines,fucking bosnia is one bigg minefieldand not only serbs plant them.For that incident is not excluded,but generaly it was order not 2 attack UN forces.
     
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    there is still a hate between serbs and muslims, just look at kosovo, there live serbs and muslims and the Nato forces have to protect the serbs everyday or they might get killed by the muslims, I know this from some of my old army buddies that have been in Kosovo not long ago (one of them have also been in Iraq, but thats another story)

    And cluster bombs are not, at this moment, forbidden to use, there is no international law against it, the topic about cluster bombs was brough up in the news, at least here in Denmark, because Israel used cluster bombs in Libanon this summer and its not forbidden by international law at this moment
     
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    U dont know basic things,il try 2 explain u.Serbs and bosnian muslims speak same language.Bosnian muslims was once the serbs and thecroats,who accept islam under turkish "zulum".We r the same ppl,with same mentality,and that war was huge mistake,provoked by some hot heads.I senserly regreat for that.Otther hand on kosovo it is completly diferent.50y a go serbian population was 50% on kosovo,1999. was 10%.So if we really harash the albanians why they come eawen more,and serbs escape from that? About cluster bombs,they made alot casultais after the war,eawen today,few weeks a go cluster bomb was finded on the scool roof,some of them was caprented ower city Nis with huge civilian casulties.
     
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    I can see its pointless to argue with you, you have clearly made up your mind to hate the westen world.
    But our troops are in Kosovo and they see and hear the hate between mulism and serbs everyday, its their job to make sure people dont kill each other, so they know whats going on, same with Bosnia, we had troops there (they are pulled out since the mission is now a EU mission)
    But good for you that you dont hate the muslims, now we just need everybody else down there to not hate each other, then our troops can go home and forget about Kosovo and save our tax money

    I agree that cluster bombs are a dirty weapon to use, but its not, at this moment, forbidden as you said it was
     
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    I dont hate western ppl,i just hate their hipocracy.There is no protectiong of human rights,there is protecting their own interes.When i come on this forum,first i read it only for 2 days.I hoped good fair discution,but i was suprised-it was really not.Just look topics,all western arms,and armors r betther then russian one,all that western done bad has something in justification,there is no objectivity.And kosovo is western made problem,coz they did not alow 2 classify albanians as separatist and terrorist,like IRA,ETA,etc,they wanna same things,and they use same methods?
     
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    right, its was westen soldiers that ran around and killed kosovo albanians in some of the worst etnich cleansing since ww2, its was westen soldiers that had KZ-camps in Bosnia, the first in Europe since ww2, and sure it was the westen soldiers that did the worst warcrimes since ww2 down there.....well its was not, its was all of you that live down there, we had to stop it and when your leaders did not want to listen to diplomacy, they got the bombs, so your leaders pull this over the heads of your self, not us

    and if you have so much against the discussions on this forum, then why are you here?
    most of the time people make statment out from they own oppinion and of what they think about tanks and they do research on it and you are most welcome to come up with facts about russian tanks and in what way they should be better, but should everybody sit here and say that they think that the T-72 is a good tank if people dont think it is?
    but instead of contributing in a constructiv way to the discussion, you seemed to me to put up a hostile attitude against most of the people in here and the countries they live in
    and you think we dont have any human rights in the westen world? then you clearly dont know anything about the westen world
     
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    No objectivity? Do you mean objectivity like this:

    Objectivity? What a joke.
     
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    sinissa:
    I guess in your mind, ethnic-cleansing is no big-deal, but rather a clever way to ensure plenty of jobs and food/housing for those that remain alive after the "blood-bath."
    What an outrage that Americans, Canadians, Danes, French, etc troops risked their lives to stop the slaughter and meddle in your regions internal affairs. You have every reason to feel betrayed...
    Now I think I'll go puke.

    Tim
     
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    Etnich cleansing on kosovo:
    1945-serbian population 50%
    1995- serbian population 10%,albanians take arms in their hand.
    2006 serbian population 1%.
    Etchnich cleansning? And NATO done good job,serbs who try 2 go back on kosovo got killed,it heapens ewery day.They shut-off they power,etc.Still ower 3k serb civilian r missing from kosovo,every day they find bodys.
    Biggest civilian slaughter after WWII vas in vietnam,2-3 mil dead vietnamese,more then 60% civilians.On ex Yugoslavia body count is 300k on each 3 sides.Crimes was on all 3 sides,and they who done it was charged for that,some off them convicted.Something like that on wester side? Ovkors not,eawen if u know that worst crimes was done.U wanna 2 se some PIC maybe? R u seen them allrdy.One fact,when UN declared embargo on Serbia,it was coz a mortar shell was droped on Sarajevo market.After that UN determined that shell come from bosnian muslim side.That camp u say was POW camp,not KZ.If u look bit betther u will se that all sides had cams like that.
     
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    sinissa:

    Don't forget Pol Pot and the Kymer Rouge. Now that fellow knew how to instill pure-terror in the general population. 'Makes you lads look like rank-amateurs.
    Vietnam?
    Shucks, the VC and NVA were quite adept at killing their own country-men, women and children. I'm not sure your "statistics" reflect that fact.

    Tim
     
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    Whell ur probably right in that (NV killing they own ppl) but again US soldiers done they bigg part in that.And ur right for otther thing allso,i oversight it.
     
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    that was not POW camps, that was KZ camps, filled with civilians and they looked like living dead, thin to the bones and thats is in it self a crime against humanity, even if they were soldiers or civilian they were clearly starved by lack of food provide by those who ran the camps.
    And you say warcriminals is being punished down there, then were is Mladic and Karazdic? (names might be misspelled) why are they not sitting in a prison by now? why is there not a trial against them going on by now?
    and maybe you should ask you self again, why did Serbia get bombed? could it be that Milosivic (name might be misspelled) did not want to negociat about peace?
    btw: Vietnam is not anywhere in Europe, I said the worst warcrimes down there (red. Southen Europe) since ww2, Vietnam is in asia and was not a NATO oparation so blame the USA for that, not NATO
    and dont come and say that it was not etnich cleansing the serbs did in 1999, it was, all the refugies that came out of kosovo, where do you think they go? to the rest of Europe and its was kosovo albanians
    and you say they made a etnich cleansing in kosovo against the serbs under the rule of Tito? then maybe Tito was weak, he did not care or it did not happen, and if there was a etnich cleansing of the serbs in kosovo then it dont give the serbs the right to commit crimes them self, two wrongs dont make a right, but Serbia commited crimes in kosovo in 1999 and they paid for it, and what do you think our troops are trying to do in Kosovo, they are trying to protect the remaining serbs with their own life and all I see from you is that you are ungreatful for that, ungreatful for soldiers that leave their safe home, trying to stop a war down there by risking their own life and trying to keep the peace so people no longer kill each other
     
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    http://compuserb.com/cnnlies/
    http://www.compuserb.com/wtimesad/wtimes02.htm
    http://www.compuserb.com/wtimesad/wt02pg02.htm

    U want some more? I can find so much PIC that u stomac cant handle it.And how u know that was civilian camp,u sow it on CNN? Il tell u something,in bosnian all 3 army was natives,diferent ages,not profesional soldiers,common ppl who was cought in fire off war.So dont espect young PPL as a POW,they was mostly mid ages.Like i say there was on all 3 sides camps like that.My friend was captured as in croatia,hes meal was thin slice of bread and coffe cup of soup(misspeled maybe).Hes luck was that hes MAcedonian,like i am (yes im not a serb,i just live there) so he was exchanged for some croat guy,like it was mostly done.When he come back home he was bones and skin.But CNN newer recorded that ,coz they lack objectivity.Around 5-7k Jihad muslim soldiers was/and still r in bosnia.U can see on the pic how they treath POW-s,and if i digg enought i can find fideo where they digg eyes from POW-s,excecute them,choping their heads.They had no POW,and no civilians was surived their raids.
    Lets talka about talibans.They was best US friend,freedom fighters against USSR,Osama was they best agent,what changed now?
     

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