Von Stauffenberg's grave found?!

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Only SS had pips on the collar.

If i'm right, the one on the photo is a Captain in the SS.

 

That is not Claus Von Stauffenburg!! the news article and the picture source misidentified the person in that picture.

Stauffenburg was never in the SS.

He was Wehrmacht. His last campaign before injury was part of the 10th Panzer division in North Africa

I found the source of the picture... REX FEATURES. It does claim it's stauffenburg. but it states the photo was taken Mar. 01 1944.


Stauffenburg lost a few fingers, his left hand and his left eye in North Africa on April 07 1943.. So that person in that picture is clearly someone else.

There are no records that Stauffenburg held speeches like that. unless otherwise with co- conspirators which would clearly not be with a microphone on a podium with the nazi flag draped behind.


That picture clearly appears to be a SS nazi rally speech by a decorated SS officer.


Here is the source of the photo used in that news article.

Rex Features - Photographic press agency and picture library

By the way here is the real Claus Von stauffenburg








smoking.. poland 1939


recovering from his wounds.. with his children summer 1943

 

Your right suzie, it's not him, see my 1st post, ray.

 

your right Ray, I found the very same picture. That man is Leon Degrelle.




Saviez-vous que...: 2477 - l'heure de gloire
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ha! ha! suzie..the man tries do do a service for his country, and 66yrs later, he is done a disservice, amazing! eh...

 

of all the pictures that they could have found of stauffenburg they got a picture of an SS officer... a man completely opposite of Stauffenburg!

it might work with the general public but the fake won't slip by WW2f members!


that picture is a bigger insult to Von Stauffenburg than this guy...

 

Saying nothing about Tom's acting, or lack thereo, he at least looks a bit like Stauffenberg!

 

that's pretty much the only thing going for him..

 

That was the point, at least that fellow resembled the guy. The poor research done for the story even missed who they put in the photo. If you cannot even file a picture of the right guy, how in the world can the rest of the story be taken on face (pun intended) value!

 

It's hard to say, some people were antisemetic but not to a point where they would take up violence, others were the opposite. Not sure which side Stauffenberg falls into but I found this quote, has anyone read the sourced book and able to put it into context?

Claus Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On topic: Those are some pretty funny mistakes, especially in a post-Hollywood world! Someone should get in touch with the author to let them know.

 

Going back to what ULITHI has stated asking whether or not he hated jews... There is no evidence that suggests that he had issues with jews.
Hate is a pretty big statement

Going back into late 1800's and 1900's , jews were by some considered "outsiders" in Europe. European people, majority of strong Christian beliefs and/or of aristrocratic ideologies, saw the jews as somewhat second class. Although no one had feelings of hatred or wanted them deported/ killed.
The nazis eventaully fueled the fire of hatred by blaming jews for everything and turning jews into scapgoats.

But that is a completely different subject.


ULITHI'S statement that Stauffenberg spent more effort on trying to kill Hitler than save the jews. well there is an explanation for that...

The reason why the conspirators did not try to save the jews is because it was far easier to kill the one man who is supreme commander of it all than to try to save the millions of jews . Anyone who attempted to help the jews, soldier or civilian, would themselves be killed. The commanders who were part of the conspiracy like Treschow had their hands tied in the war.. Few had authorization to the ghettos or camps. That was SS territory and gestapo territory.

Going back to Stauffenburg and jews... he did know of the mass killings of jews and there is evidence to suggest that in the book STAUFFENBURG - a family history. By Peter Hoffman

I highly recommend this book to anyone interested in the Stauffenburg story. You'll learn a lot about this great man... his plans, his beliefs, including that of his brothers, Berthold and Alexander, who too were conspirators in the July 20 plot.


I like to quote a few pieces of the book to anyone learning about Stauffenburg and his knowledge of the holocaust.

"In August i942 Stauffenburg told Major Joachim Kuhn, a close friend, that the treatment of the jews and other civilians proved that Hitler's war was monsterous, that Hitler had lied about the cause of the war, and therefore that Hitler must be removed. Also in August 1942, when Major Oskar-Alfred Berger, who had succeeded Mertz as head of Organization Branch Group IV, went riding with Stauffenburg, Stauffenburg said suddenly: "They are shooting jews in masses. These crimes must not be allowed to continue."

Source : Stauffenburg, a family history - By Peter Hoffman Pg.152


The July 20 conspirators also laid plans as to what to do after Hitler was killed. They organized the new government and the actions that would follow. Here is what was to happen as soon as Hitler was removed from power and the nazi war machine stopped.

"The preliminary aims of the new governmentwere to remain in force until the nation could decide apon them. The aim of the new government was 'the true national community based on respect, mutual assistance and social justice' , justice and liberty, integrity of government and administration, restoration of German honor in the community of nations. The guilty ones, who had brought disgrace and distress upon the German nation and other nations would be punished. The 'policy statement' set forth the 'principles and aims' of the new governmnet under twelve headings:

Restoration of law and justice; restoration of morality; opposition of lying propaganda; restoration of the liberty of thought; conscience; faith and opinion; renewal of educaton of Christian basis but the complete tolerene of other beliefs; reorganization of the administration and the civil service; a new constitution; acknowledgement of the principle of economic freedom; a policy of social justice; the reform of public budgets; continuation of the war only on defence of the fatherland; establishment of a just peace.

Judges who had broken or bent the law were to be punished; the fundamental liberties suspended by the Hitler government on Feb 28 1933 were to be restored; the concentration camps would be disbanded. There was to be a new constitution drawn up with the consent of the nation and the soldiers in the field, whose participation would carry 'special weight'; until this could be achieved a temporary constitution, to be promulgated immediately, would fill the gap.

There would be an immediate halt to the persecution of the jews, 'which has been carried on in the most inhumain and unmerciful, deeply shameful and irreparable way'. the annoucement of due punishment for all lawbreakers applied particularly to those responsible for the murder of the jews."

Souirce: Stauffenburg a family history - By Peter Hoffman. Pg 210-211.

It's too bad Germany and the world didn't get to see the war end much sooner than it did. Many lives would have been spared. However, there is a reason why everything happens. Who knows what would have happened if the plotters succeeded in killing Hitler..

Maybe Rommel was right. He believed that killing Hitler would start a civil war within Germany. Nazi followers would cause disruption with the killing of their Fuhrer.

Hitler's own suicide showed the German people what a coward he really was.

 

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