Welcome to Communist Britain

I don't bother with you because you are dumb coward who uses PM's to make racist remarks. I refer to your last "Mischling" comment.

If you don't know where the word comes from let me help you.

The Laws for the Protection of German Blood and German Honor

September 15, 1935
Entirely convinced that the purity of German blood is essential to the further existence of the German people, and inspired by the uncompromising determination to safeguard the future of the German nation, the Reichstag has unanimously resolved upon the following law, which is promulgated herewith:


Section 1

1. Marriages between Jews and citizens of German or kindred blood are forbidden. Marriages concluded in defiance of this law are void, even if, for the purpose of evading this law, they were concluded abroad.
2. Proceedings for annulment may be initiated only by the Public Prosecutor.

Section 2

1. Extramarital intercourse between Jews and subjects of the state of Germany or related blood is forbidden.

Section 3 Jews will not be permitted to employ female citizens of German or kindred blood as domestic workers under the age of 45. Section 4

1. Jews are forbidden to display the Reich and national flag or the national colours.
2. On the other hand they are permitted to display the Jewish colours. The exercise of this right is protected by the State.

Section 5

1. A person who acts contrary to the prohibition of Section 1 will be punished with hard labour.
2. A person who acts contrary to the prohibition of Section 2 will be punished with imprisonment or with hard labor.
3. A person who acts contrary to the provisions of Sections 3 or 4 will be punished with imprisonment up to a year and with a fine, or with one of these penalties.

Section 6 The Reich Minister of the Interior in agreement with the Deputy Fuhrer and the Reich Minister of Justice will issue the legal and administrative regulations required for the enforcement and supplementing of this law. Section 7 The law will become effective on the day after its promulgation; Section 3, however, not until January 1, 1936.



Please crawl back under your stone.

 

Remember my comment about not making claims unless you could actually back them up?

 

Fascism or communism. Extreme Right or Extreme Left. It does not matter, extremism is never a political answer for a stable society. As Agrippa noted, we should pursue all things in moderation.

 

Just a point here: Facism and Communism are both Leftist political and economic ideologies. The difference between the two is that Facism is nationalistic and Communisim internationalist in their views.

Just remember Hitler and the Nazi party:

Was a vegan and promoted vegitarianism
Anti-smoking
Pro animal rights
Anti capitalist
Used the schools, and other social structures to promote indoctornation and ideology
The equivalent of today's affirmative action just with different privilaged groups
Socialist
For gun control
Pro-abortion
For higher taxes
State run social services

Basically, the Nazis social and political views were a who's who of today's Leftist politics. They just changed the names of whom they hated.

 

Holy Calamari al Pesto, Adolf was a Democ-Rat !!!

 

Well, better a "Mischling" than a "Meshuggah", I suppose...

Allusions in public to PMs don't cut much ice. Either both parties come clean so we general public know what the issue is, or PMs will stay private.

 

Cousin It, I refer to you as a thing, an it, as it were; because of your argumentative and combative personality traits. Everytime one of these other Gents here-whether this Gent is Pete, Gordon or somebody else, you never not once have provided anything of factual truth-with the wee exception of something YOU got from some off the wall, gone around the bend-organization that apparently your very familiar with. (((The before was an intended run-on sentence.)))

But speaking of cowards, who is the one who decided to make something public just to get a "rise" out of people. Apparently your sole purpose here is to try to irritate these good people but, as long as you attack friends of mine- well, what comes around, goes around. Anyone and everyone who does NOT share YOUR sick beliefs, is automatically a racist. You don't know Jack, about me and my beliefs and I don't care but one thing is that your not good enough to figure me out either. Therefore, whatever wrong conclusions you have about me are totally from your feeble imagination. You are another one who went to schools and who were tought by Professors who also hate the United States and what it stands for. As you can tell by now--I think???? I am not going to get into a ceaseless BS argument with someone who sees things with only tunneled vision.

If you want to do some serious sparring-then go ahead and send me more imflammatory Private Messages such as those two that you sent to me. YOU stirred up a Hornet's nest and got stung-both publically and privately.

Auf Wiedersehen -- Nicht!!!!

 

Not really, I mean Fascism is itself reactionary by definition and its raison d'etre is to create a new social order and maintain it. The basis of all leftist politics is the need for constant change and development, admittedly many so called 'leftist' regimes have later become fascistic as the leadership abused their power but that is a flaw in human nature rather than a feature of the political theory.

Erm, correct me if I'm wrong but Hitler was a Nazi, not a Fascist, the two are not entirely the same.

Not destinctly left wing really now are they? He was also anti-drugs/alcohol but these ideas are just as common amongst the right as the left.

Again, not strictly left wing, all governments/rulers use education to indoctrinate with their own ideology, the Roman Catholic Church is hardly left wing but are pretty big on it, even the US school system is pretty good at it from what I hear (what else could one call swearing an oath to a flag but indoctrination). It's just a handy way of maintaining stability and the status quo (not strictly a left wing idea in itself).

Again, not strictly leftist. Keep in mind that freedom to own a firearm isn't as big an issue over here as it is over there and so whilst conservatives over there might be bothered about it, over here they are not. Being pro-abortion is hardly especially left wing. As for higher taxes, well, I know that tax increases by conservative rulers over here outstrip those of left wing governments, increasing tax hardly indicates a left wing regieme, just a different reason for it.

Think we have just about established at least a couple of flaws there. For one thing, can't see many leftists today talking about exterminating various races, I would in fact argue that racism and xenophobia are destinctely right wing traits because involvement with other peoples will mean change which is exactly what the right oppose.

Dgmitchell is right, both have strengths and weaknesses, I am a firm believer that we do need to change the way things happen, constant revision of our views, system and processes is essential to prevent stagnation. This does not however mean getting rid of everything that has gone before (if it ain't broke, don't fix it). Moderation in all things indeed, the way often lies in the middle.

 

Have to argue on that one; all the British pressure groups screaming about animal rights, vegetarianism and banning smoking tend to be very Left-wing. Unless that's now a particularly Scottish trait.

I disagree again; you don't hear much anti-American rhetoric coming from British Right-wingers; it's very much a Left-wing badge of honour. Also you should try visiting the forums on Scottish newspapers like The Scotsman and The Herald, which are full of Scottish Nationalists slandering their fellow Scots as 'Uncle Tom Unionists' and 'Quislings', and generally leaving the English without a name. The Scottish National Party are self-confessed Marxists who want to split up Britain, and go out of their way to pick fights with Westminster as a means to an end..

 

Hmm funny the smoking issue is politicized in the UK. I thought it is a matter of health , not of political sides. Among the various countries where smoking has been prohibited in public areas, you will find Right wing and left wing governments. Am I glad I did not to have to wait for a left wing government to be able to breath a smoke free air.

 

I know Skip, it's ridiculous. The actual pub owners should have been left with the choice of whether they wanted a smoking or non-smoking premises, with grants available to help with the cost of installing decent air-conditioning. Now we have the same anti-smoking people (Nicotine Nazis, we call 'em! ) who chased smokers out of the pub in the first place screaming for smokers to be banned from pub gardens 'to protect children'. So in other words, those of us who pointed out the ban was all about a minority's obsessive hatred of a perfectly legal pastime, and that they wouldn't stop their demands just because they got a ban, are slowly but surely being proven right.
The offensive has also switched to alcohol; back in the '70s when British pubs closed at 10.30 pm, the medical profession claimed there was a binge drinking problem caused by people wandering into pubs half an hour before closing and throwing as much drink over their throats as they could manage in that time. Answer? Extend licensing hours, beginning in Scotland around 1979.
Fast forward 30 years and the same "experts" are claiming that there's a binge drinking problem caused by excessively long opening hours, and the answer is to cut them back! So they must have been bloody WRONG in the '70s then.
They seem to conveniently forget that British holidaymakers started going to Spain in the '70s to take advantage of the country's famously liberal spirit measures, couldn't see why they had to do without the extended licensing hours when they came back, and the trade adapted to suit.
Same with smoking; it only became an issue in the '80s when the trade adapted to public demands for trendy open-plan pubs, and the smoker's 'snug' (a little room off the main bar) became a thing of the past. The PUBLIC created the problem, not the licensed trade.
Anyway, rant over until I'm elected PM.

 

But come on Gordon, that's a bit like saying 'the Germans killed people, therefore anyone who kills people is German,' the same reasoning as 'left wingers believe in animal rights, anyone who believes in animal rights is left wing.' See what I mean, just because it happens to feature in the politics of many left wingers, doesn't make it a key element of left wing politics. Next you will be telling me that ancient Greek philosophers talking about abstinence were left wing?

Again, look at what I said above, just because particular groups believe in it doesn't make it an essential element of left wing politics. I think however that my use of the word 'distinctly' was rather misplaced but you see my point? After all, look at the BNP, hardly left wing but a beautiful demonstration of the right wing fearing change that results from immigration. Then again, look at the various right of center newspapers stocked with their standard 'immigrants are flooding the nation' type headlines, at least as bad as the Grunyard [sic] and the various leftist papers.

 

Stefan, I can only assume the phrase "Left-wing" means different things depending which side of the River Tweed you're standing on. All the things I mentioned ARE key features of every Left-wing pressure group I've ever heard of. Tell you what; name any RIGHT-wing animal rights or anti-smoking groups currently active in Britain.

Then there's the left-wingers who fear change so much, they're desperate to reopen all the coal mines rather than admit that nuclear power is the way forward. And naturally, they all know 'hundreds' of people 'desperate' to go down the pits, but that never includes them, of course. The left-wing press, so desperate to evangelise the new 'religion' of climate change that anyone who dares to disagree is publicly pilloried, scientists with a different viewpoint are pointedly ignored. I'm sure Greenpeace would be shocked and disgusted to be described as anything other than Left-wing. To use your own phrase, just because particular groups believe in it doesn't make it an essential element of right-wing politics; the SNP are about as xenophobic as it gets regarding English people, and the Russians and Chinese are positively paranoid about foreigners.
And there seems to have been a recent flood of respectable non-political groups agreeing that immigrants ARE flooding the country to no great cultural advantages; they can't all be either wrong or right-wing.

 

New Labour?

That's not what I said though is it? All we are proving here is that the little list of 'left wing characteristics' are equally common on both sides.

Out of interest I looked up the definition of left and right wing. The Left is defined by radicalism and a desire to bring about change, the right by conservatism and a desire to preserve the status quo. Maybe we are working from cross definitions.

Anyhow, I didn't mean to turn this into a debate about immigration, just to show that (as I said) xenophobia is at least as common on the political right as left.

 

They couldn't be Right-wing if they changed themselves into a Spitfire and chopped the Port wing off.......

Or the current political system is knackered, since those definitions seem to have changed sides these days.
But, when I'm Prime Minister......

 

Glad that got a laugh off you

right wing

–noun
1. members of a conservative or reactionary political party, or those opposing extensive political reform.
2. such a political party or a group of such parties.
3. that part of a political or social organization advocating a conservative or reactionary position: The union's right wing favored a moderate course of action.
[Origin: 1930–35]

left wing
–noun
1. members of a liberal or radical political party, or those favoring extensive political reform.
2. such a party or a group of such parties.
3. the part of a political or social organization advocating a liberal or radical position.
[Origin: 1700–10]

Those are the definitions I have been using, straight from the dictionary. Surprised me too.

As someone pointed out a while back, you can hardly get a razor blade between Labour and Conservative these days though things are indeed changing.