What did Germany need to win the war?

Africa buys the Germans nothing. They lack the navy to support operations there. Supporting the Italians there is nothing but a distraction. Trying to use the Middle East as an oil source will be hard. This puts them on a head on collision course with the US once again (the US is the leading developer of what Middle Eastern oil sources that are available).
On that note, I would add that keeping the US out of the war (including Lend-Lease) should have been a major German strategic goal. The US is the leading nation in terms of capacity to crush Germany. The Soviets are a tough enough nut on their own. With the US thrown into the mix the Germans are finished.
The Germans could have just made better use of the oil and coal they already had. Coal gassification and synthetic fuels could have been greatly expanded on local resources rather than relying on a tenious campaign in a distant land trying to capture these resources.
On Poland, if the Germans could have managed it or, planned for it, they should have taken the whole country before allowing the Soviets to occupy about half of it. This places them almost 300 miles closer to Moscow when they do jump off. Again, better strategic planning.

 

Very well Za, here is another attempt.......

Algeria and Saudi Arabia might very well have become the next countries on the list of German occupation. With no other countries forces present ( with the destruction of the British troops ) Germany and her allies might have very well gone unchecked.... At least for sometime. With an occupied Africa this also cuts off the American landing.. Also a German navy might not have been necessary in the mediterranean since there was no opposition. So the Italian navy might have faired pretty well with policing. As for the logistics, Miguel my friend as you are the engineer this would be your field of expertise, all I can do is just assume or guess at best. I would imagine maybe a tanker or some sort of pipeline... ( yes I understand that this sounds unrealistic so please excuse my ignorence on the matter ) In terms of a time frame, I would say that this would depend on when the war might have come to an end. Great Britain would really be the tricky part, if Dunkirk played in favor for the Germans and an extra 30k British prisoners from Africa, with the U-boat blockade of the main island and NO declaration of war on the US, might have this been enough to force Great Britain into surrender in return for all of its prisoners? or a full out invasion of the Island? Overall my hypothesis for a Germany victory might only work if the war would have ended and all of the following accomplished by no later then mid 42'......

I come to this conclussion based on Stalin's premise...... So if Germany can get all of this done before Stalin's war machine is at full strength then Germany might come out on top.....? With the war over, this might just give her enough time to do whatever it is that she might need in order to figure out the logistics for oil development and transportation?

Ok...... your turn to extinguish my silly theory!

 

Except that if Hitler had taken all of Poland in 1939 and not given the Soviets an inch he would have had a very, very angry Stalin just waiting to stick the knife between his shoulder blades the moment his attention was turned west against France. A lot of eastern Poland had been taken from Russia/Ukraine in war in the early 1920s and the Russians/Ukrainians wanted that land back. Hitler had little choice but to give the Russians at least the eastern sections of Poland if he wanted Stalin to play nice while he dispatched the Western Allies.

 

I think to understand Hitler's quick declaration of war on the US you have to understand that at that time he was, for the first time in history, really starting to look bad. The German armies had stalled in front of Moscow and only a couple of days before Pearl Harbor the Russians were counter-attacking and rolling over the German army, which by now everyone in Germany knew was unprepared for winter war. While few people would publicly admit it, this had to cause many Germans to think that perhaps Hitler had made mistakes and wasn't the genius that Nazi propaganda had made him out to be. The US had been a constant thorn in his side and already was all but officially at war with Germany and doing everything in its power to thwart Hitler's plans. The sudden and devastating strike on Pearl Harbor was a terrible blow for US pride and conversely a huge propaganda coup, as well as a military one, for Japan. Hitler, facing nothing but bad news from the Russian front, wanted in on the good news from Pearl Harbor. Declaring war on the US put Germany into the limelight along with Japan and temporarily, at least, until Hitler could stem the bleeding in Russia, he could distract the German press with news from the Pacific.

I think this is just another one of those cases where Hitler's emotions got the best of him and he jumped on a quick fix for his problems, one that would ultimately have a huge and negative impact on his and Germany's future.

 

Agreed..

 

One overlooked point, Hitler still believed that the Japanese would finally declare war on Soviet Union. Perhaps he believed that with a second front of his own, Stalin might have been defeated, or just pressured into making peace. Who knows.

 

Germany could not win the war for several factors, which are inherent to the nazi ideology.
Inferior race unable to fight (underestimated for Gi and frontovik)
no sacrifices asked to people in particulary women whom have only a role of mother

first Hitler leads the generals as politician. He divides to have to control them. He did the samme thing with industrial leader.
The economy was not ready because she was not inclued in a global strategic plan. Neither country nor army were ready for fighting and winning.
The ideology retain million women off factory when the female employement was incredible high in USA or England. The nazi party waited too late to ask same sacrifice to the population as democracy country did.(and even USSR without asking) So economy was chaos.
It's the same pb with army. Allies have Stavka and Shaef when germans need OKW, OKH, Luftwaffe ground units and overall Waffen SS. No one is able to work seriously together. If you add 250 types of armored vehicules and nosense as the rules for the conduct of operations, finally you find the german machine (sic) of war.
in a sain and logical mind Germany never declares war because they can't win it. That not the same truth in a country deep penetrated by the nazy ideology.

 

I agree with your points. So going by your views, I'd say that if some of the above points were reversed, Germany would have a better chance of winning the war.

 

so, first a better command system as united high command which have the same eccuracy as Stavka, Shaef or Grand Quartier General during the WWI.
identified goals need reals ways.
forget the lucky strike strategy.
fist german beat the foot soldier ie France
then they take the risk to invade England whatever is the cost
second a real work for Uboat during 1940 1941 years
third they must not stop Panzer building during summer 40
you can forget too the Halt Befhel nearby Dunkirk and capture 200 000 tommies and the England is out of game as the french are in june with their 1.200000 POW and 120 000 KIA (2000 per day)

in all case they have the possibility to win in afrika what is the sacrifice of one or two FallSchirmjager Rgt for the control of malta ?

better organisation for Barbarossa, not a blinding invasion. I'm so sorry (it s little frenchy "vengeance" we lost with good tank as Somua 35, we made campaign with poor vehicule too H35 etc, do you think that attack USSR with 600 PzKI or PzkII is the sign of brightness mind ? )

send unit as replacement and not as renforcements as PzK in russia or PzBrigade in France, to renforce cadre unit instead to fight as fresh but green units....

and finally accept that is not poker but war, building a coherent strategy and asking sacrifices to the population. working during night, femal working, not stopping train for ostfront for Xmas etc etc as english, americans, russians did it....(for us, we are not in battle for a too long time to do it ...)

 

The Stg44 was a late invention. It was a indeed a great weapon.
Germany's jew killing did not chance the war's outcome.

Germany did not had to invade Russia. Hitler had to help those Italians in Africa - because they were so bad - when he did help the Italians, Hitler could had whole Africa.. If this was complete he could attack the Caucasus for the oil. That was the only thing he needed. Instead of fighting a two-front war. A two-front war is almost impossible to win.

I mean Hitler was fighting in Africa and Europe. Why in gods name would he fight against England and Russia when there's a whole army in Africa.

Now at the real situation.. When Hitler invaded Russia the reserves didn't followed the troops. That was a big mistake. Well he still could support the troops in Russia if he used the goddamn railroads, but no he used them for the jews instead of helping his men.

 

But Germany's killing of the Jewidh population had a drastic effect. If they hadn't killed all of the jews and accepted them as there own then Germany would have been on the forfront economically. Most Jews were in the buisness class and had control of the companies and production facilities indutries whatever. They were also alot of the brains. Correct me if I'm wrong, but quite a few good scientist at the time in Germany were Jewish. Albert Einstein anyone?!!! He eventually built the US the bomb, what if he had been loyal to Germany. What about the other scientists. If Germany hadn't killed the Jews, then the Jews would have stayed in Germany and the Germans would have had greatly improved the economic status and indutrial output of the GErman War Machine. Besides this but Concentration Camps were a horrific endeavor to undertake and needed subsidizing on the war machines part!

 

The problem with Germany in World War Two was once they started building tanks that were so complicated, took tons of time, money and man-power to build, they were always outnumbered tank-wise; even if German tanks were better than the enemies, there were just to many of the enemy for the Germans to handle. If the Germans had made a tank that was cheap and could mass produce and was just as effective as the T-34 on the battlefield, the Germans with their superior tank skills could have easily turned the tide against them and have possibly won the war against Russia. Another blunder that eventually cost the Germans the war was the Battle of Britain when the Luftwaffe failed against the RAF. If Germany had taken England, nothing would have stopped Hitler from taking over the world in my opinion. Even little battles defined the face of the war but Hitler should have just left the war to his generals and battles that were lost, could have been won- like Stalingrad. Well, there are many more things that I could rant on about but that's my say on it and I'm looking forward to seeing what others have to say about it.

 

From WWI there already was National-Socialisme so it didn't started when Hitler rose and if you're National-Socialist you blame them. Hitler was busy building his own bomb.

The uranium project scientist (Germany, not everybody):
Max van Laue, Erich Bagge, Kurt Diebner, Walther Gerlach, Otto Hahn, Paul Harteck, Werner Heisenberg, Horst Korsching, Carl Friedrich von Weizsäcker and Karl Wirtz...

They were already building it, the Allied were faster since Albert Einstein warned America that Germany took nuclear weapons serious and America wanted to make an A-bomb before eventualy Germany and Japan did.

The "Konzentrationslager" was never uncovered if Russia didn't pushed Germany behind. Some knew they were camps but didn't know excatly what happend (except some Germans Officers) or they just had a feeling or they knew what was going on but still people denied it so nobody took it seriously (just like America), because you couldn't get close to the camps and the only way to see what was going on was by plane. They tried to but it never succeeded. I thought even they bombed it but it never hit it the camp seriously enough to take it out. (Correct me if I'm wrong).

 

Do a search on the forum. We have discussed to exhaustion the possibilities and consequences (or lack of) hitting the Baku or Middle East oil. We even discussed the possibilities of the Italians finding they were sitting on the Lybian oil all the time without knowing it.

In this forum we use to write "Jews" or any other nationality with a capital initial.

 

Declare war on the USA then lose straight away, get massive cash injections from the US to rebuild German industry and then buy the World.

Just like actually happened to Germany and Japan, compare their industry and wealth to Britain, who supposedly won.
Where's the British car industry?
British ship-building etc etc.

 

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The "Konzentrationslager" was never uncovered if Russia didn't pushed Germany behind. Some knew they were camps but didn't know excatly what happend (except some Germans Officers) or they just had a feeling or they knew what was going on but still people denied it so nobody took it seriously (just like America), because you couldn't get close to the camps and the only way to see what was going on was by plane. They tried to but it never succeeded. I thought even they bombed it but it never hit it the camp seriously enough to take it out. (Correct me if I'm wrong).[/quote]

I will correct you on this point.

IBM was in league with the Third Reich in data collection of Jews and other undesirables. So at least one American company knew what the information was for. I saw a documentary on the concentration camps and i was amazed that the allies had known as early as 1942 that the concentation and extermination camps existed, and as far as i know only one mission was authorised to attack Birkenau but the Allies conceded that the elimination of Germany's capacity to wage war was far more important that to attack concentration camps.

 

of course ! ! and Indiana Jones must be a german