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What if Germany would never have invaded Russia?

Discussion in 'What If - Other' started by Yono, Jan 7, 2011.

  1. GunSlinger86

    GunSlinger86 Well-Known Member

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    Why did Hitler want to destroy France? They were Western white Europeans along the same lines as Germans? Is it strictly because of Versailles and World War I?
     
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    Well, I only read parts of his book, although certainly it isn't boring or badly written as many people claim. Books written by politicians are similarly boring or worse (modern - always).
    It's probably because of Versailles, the French are natural enemies of Germany, and he says that two is a crowd in Europe - there is a place for a single major power there.
    So the French are going to get it, his preferred allies are Italy and Britain, the USSR will collapse - Providence willing, and the Germans will live happily ever after, benefiting from some post-USSR territories.
     
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    Politics and Race had much to do with his thinking. I almost think Hitler would rather do away with Communist Jewish Slavs than another white Western European power.
     
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    There were lots of communists, Jews, and even Jewish communists there. For some time a Jew was the Prime Minister of France.
    The Bulgars, Slovaks, Croats - obvious Slavs were his close allies, he spoke highly of the Poles (until he flipped his lid over the Danzig problem).
    His goal wasn't to kill them all - the Jews or the Slavs. He wanted to make Germany a great power - because, according to his ideology, only strong states had a chance to survive in the modern world.
     
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    He wanted an alliance with Poland until they wouldn't budge over Danzig. Poland was anti-Soviet/Russian and anti-Communist. It was also the gateway to Russia if Germany were to invade, going thru Poland.
     
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    Do you think a lot of his race hatred rhetoric against Slavs/Poles/Jews was a policy ploy to rile up emotions, but he was not dead-set on annihilation of those he deemed sub-human? Because at one point he speaks good of the Poles and wanted them as Allies, then when they wouldn't go along they were sub-human enemies deserving Slavery or death. Like a propaganda tool to use verbally and emotionally but not always direct action?
     
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    As I understand it, it really didn't matter if they were sub-humans or non-sub-humans. It was a Darwinian world outside and races were competing among themselves. Because of that other races, bad or good, if they stood in the way of his race interests were supposed to submit or face the consequences.
    The British - a good, clean race received lots of hate too - when they had failed his expectations, similarly like the Poles. Although the Poles additionally got reclassification when he had come to know them better.

    They only difference was you weren't supposed to hang out with sub-humans, slept with them, they shouldn't be assimilated into his race (some of them could if they showed promise) - just because they were sub-standard race material. You could with the British because they weren't so bad.

    The Jews were so sub-human they were like mold, they corrupted/destroyed others by their mere presence, so there was no other choice but to expel or isolate them - if practicable.
     

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