WHAT IF... Mexico joined WWII on the Axis's side??

No9 is not trying to be offensive at all. He has some pretty good comments on most days. You have to take things in stide. The picture he posted is from Hollywood and they rarely get anything right.
Welcome to the forums. The longer you stay the more you will understand what I am saying.
You ask good questions.

 

yea, keep an open mind eve...please...

 

Sorry if you found my post offensive EVE, it is not meant to be serious as I don’t see this thread as that serious. It’s not some picture from the ’peasant army’, it’s a still of actor Alfonso Bedoya from John Huston’s 1948 classic ’The Treasure of the Sierra Mardre’. The film itself is set in 1925. Click the picture to hear Alfonso’s famous lines.

No.9

 

Yes the What If is great fun EVE2385 keep them coming

 

Ok No.9 I might have overreacted a little bit.

 

Well, it'd be a realistic possibility if the Holy Spirit would work along the Mexican Army. In reality, it's not.

And please, leave aside political correctness... we love teasing each other!

 

I see what he means, it's a matter of phrasing. I think Eve means something like:

"Assuming Mexico would be on the Dark Side of the Force instead of the historically correct Light Side, and managed to put up a hell of a fight and delayed the USA (or even recovered the Lost States - Calif., New Mex., Texas, etc etc, all the way up to Connecticut) then what would etc, etc, etc..."

 

The biggest result I can see is the drainage of an army to attack into Mexico. This would have been in conjunction with the raising of forces of some kind to increase border security. I first thought of this as an overland attack, but the points that the other forum members made about the previous invasions of Mexico would provide the kind of precident that would likely be repeated. Naval forces bombard Vera Cruz and land Marines to secure a beach head. Army forces are landed with armor support sufficient to overwhelm the Mexican resources. Carrier support craft prevent the marshalling of any significant forces that would threaten a counter-attack.

Then the capital is assaulted and eventually taken. The biggest concern is what follows? Does the United States maintain a large occupation force or do the two countries come to terms and the United States withdraws as in previous conflicts? Does this bring a lasting peace or do large amounts of manpower have to be diverted to the border areas to maintain an uneasy watch?

I still cannot see any of the scenarios causing enough of a diversion to United States resources to prevent the outcome of the war. The biggest changes I could see in the outcome of the conflict would be that United States forces would not have been as close to Japan when the atomic bombs were dropped in 1945, and that the Russian Army may have gone farther into Germany. Once Germany invaded Russia, which happened before Pearl Harbor, the outcome of the war for Germany could not be changed by anything that happened to distract America's war effort. Germany was going to lose, crushed under the Red Army. The dates may have changed, the borders afterward may have changed, but the Hammer and Cycle would still be raised over the Reichstag.

 

yea, we may very well have a piece of mexico added to our country if we got very involved, but i highly doubt...

 

A good what if would be if Mexico did have good support from Germany with arms and supplies. Then, the US would have had to contend with prior to support any overseas ventures. It would have delayed the inevitable but perhaps more costly.

 

your right, it would be a costly diversion. in my opinion, i dont think there would be a large loss of life...just a few deaths, that would start a bigger fire...

 

I just thought of an even better scenario. Japan and Mexico form a secret alliance. Over the course of time before the attack of Pearl Harbor the Japanese slowly amass a significant force of men and a few squadrons of planes in Mexico. No armor, only converted civilian transport vehicles for the assault troops. In conjunction with the attack on Pearl Harbor these troops attack accross the border from Baja into San Diego. The border could be breeched in relative suprise and the ground troops could catch the armed forces in San Diego unaware before they could mobilize any kind of organized resistance taking key military and cival positions. Once the ground troops were over the border the planes could come in and support the ground troops, then land at the military air fields the troops capture. We know that the whole West Coast was terrified in the wake of Pearl Harbor that an invasion would occur. How bad would it have been if it really happened? How bad would it have been if in addition to the loss of the fleet at Pearl Harbor the naval facilities of San Diego had also been destroyed?

If the Mexican Army would have then came in to support and reinforce these troops as well as making other attacks accross other border areas, what a mess that would have made.

 

Does anyone else have another possible scenario for this What If?

Also BigIceman's post made me think of a comic war movie, it is about a japanese sub crew who are trying to invade US and end up landing in Hollywood, does someone remember the name of that movie?

 

Mexico would have been the first nuclear target rather than japan.

 

The name of the movie Eve is thinking of is 1941 with John Belushi. Funny movie and some good period uniforms and equipment.

Killroy, welcome to the forums. No offense to the Mexican Army, but I don't think the fighting with Mexico would have still been going on when the atomic weapons were finally ready.

 

I have to dissent with KillRoy on the nuclear target issue, an atomic bomb on Mexico would also have done serious damage to USA, Truman would have never authorized a nuclear bomb on Mexico, not because of respect but out of fear of damaging US

 

We have detonated dozens of atomic bombs in the United States. I really don't think that concern would have slowed Truman down for a moment. Remember the first nuclear explosion was an above ground test in New Mexico. It was called Trinity.

 

Thanks Bigiceman,and hello everyone.
Those are all good points you folks are making.
I never thought about mexico being involved with germany and or japan in the war before.
It boggles my mind thinking about what may have happened.
My old man served in the war as did most of the older guys in my family. I grew up hearing about the war at every family dinner and get togather.

 

Welcome to the forum Killroy.

I take it from the way you refer to your father that he is still with us. I encourage you to get those stories of his recorded in some form. I also encourage you to get him and any of your other living relatives that served in WWII to join us here. There are several veterans who participate and their information is a priceless resource to us here. They don't have to have done anything special, they don't even have to have ever left the United States. Every service person holds a piece of the puzzle that is the history of World War II. Their insight, their thoughts on what they saw, give depth to our discussions and help us to honor their service.

 

It seems that this thread is dying, does anyone has another possible situation concerning the Mexico scenario? Does someone have another What if?