Discussion in 'Leaders of World War 2' started by ray243, Sep 13, 2004.
Um - he went to Spain after being tried (and aquitted) at Nuremburg...
Yeah, fair point.
Everyone wave goodbye to poodle's credibility.
1.If you look at any American, or Western European, Japenese, or Isreali (The Western World) public school curiculum that covers Stalin you will see it is being tought that he was a horrible and ruthless dictator. In the standard textbook it says it was the hope of Britain that "the two gangsters would kill each other".
2.Some of the trials were revenge but the VAST MAJORITY of them convicted horrible people that commited genocide. A lot of people like Von Manstien were convicted because of revenge (The french judges were not going to let Manstien off for the Manstien plan), but people like Goering who took "personal interest" in the "final solution" were rightly convicted.
3."how many Jewish industrial leaders that helped build the Axis war machine stood trial?" If you do know of at least one, say the one in charge of the German airforce aircraft production, please let me know so I can expand my knowledge base. "
The jews of Germany were cut down. You are implying that the jews lead the war effort and were then let off. That's ridiculous.
4.Rommel was part of the Officers Corp, not the nazi party. Von Rundstedt his superior in France 1944, who he could not convince to join him wasn't a nazi either. There were a bunch of German officers, lead by Beck who hated Hitler and tryed to kill him many times. Answering someone else, Rommel was proven to be part of the plot by testimony from his aide, and from the few survivors after the war.
Ricky I agree with you that there was a revenge element at Nuremburg, but the charge of genocide was very real, and it is true that anybody who believes Nuremburg was "all about revenge" is a racist because they are denying the Holaucaust.
The way to deal with historical crimes against humanity is not denial and silence, it is with truth about it, learning about it, admitting what happened, and working to make sure it doesn't happen again.
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I don't think anybody said that, 2ndLegion. You're driving this beyond its actual field.
What Mutant Poodle said, and always has said, is that certain large corporations and their capitalist leaders were behind the start and development of WW2. I don't know if anyone takes him seriously on that but he is entitled to his own opinion. Never did he say the Jews were not slaughtered and that genocide wasn't a part of the trials at Nuremberg.
Mutant Poodle, please clarify your points to 2ndLegion here.
My school years covering this are 8 years ago (GCSE) and 6 years ago (A-Level). Yes, we were taught that Stalin was a horrible & ruthless dictator.
No, we were not taught that the hope of Britain was for the 2 gangsters to kill each other. We were taught that it was a handy by-product of WW2 that the 2 'big & scary' countries battered each other to pieces, and that had we attempted a 2nd Front in France earlier, we would have been rather battered. Which standard textbook is this?
The American Peagent, which is standard throughout New Jersey. I know I shouldn't have quoted from it, but it is still fact that it is tought Stalin was a brutal dictator in every western country.
Yes, it is definately fact that that is what is taught.
It is also fact that that is what he was! :grin:
Ehm, we didn't get, ehm, taught about ehm, Stalin. Much. At all. Eh, hehe.
Shame on the Dutch education system! Or at least on my former school.
But I left my revenge there; since my old history teacher still works there no one dares to make any big essays on WW2 anymore; he has read mine and will probably never get a decent judgment on other student's essays on the topic out again. I'm not making this up. :lol: