Discussion in 'What If - European Theater - Western Front & Atlan' started by Trip Jab, Jul 31, 2016.
The had a centralized all-union and local-level unions as well.
In the USS of R or the Reich of the 3rd Kind?
That dome was to be seven times the size of St. Peters.
What was the dome supposed to be? It's too little to play football in.
That was going to be some damn thing. I think Dem deutschen folke was going on another building.
Ah, Wiki speaketh thusly:
If I recall correctly from a documentary Tests done to determine if the ground in Berlin could sustain such a Dome failed and the test towers may still exist, and are still sinking in the marshy ground.
Even if he stopped at any point, his opponents wouldn't stop until the Reich was either occupied or turned into...
... but it is large enough for Adolf playing pocket snooker with his last and only remaining ball.
Got to give him some credit, he got most of the old buildings knocked down and it hardly cost him anything!
It's possible the Atlantropa Project would get a go ahead. Although not strictly a Nazi idea, it was popular in Germany at that time.
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It was a gigantic engineering and colonisation idea devised by the German architect Herman Sörgel in the 1920s and promoted by him until his death in 1952. Its central feature was a hydroelectric dam to be built across the Strait of Gibraltar, which would have provided enormous amounts of hydroelectricity and would have led to the lowering of the surface of the Mediterranean Sea by up to 200 metres (660 ft), opening up large new lands for settlement, for example in the Adriatic Sea. The project proposed four additional major dams as well.
Run by the government, just like the Reich trade unions. Going on strike, or even complaining about conditions, would get you sent to the Gulag.
People waste too much time trying to define the difference the various "isms." Communism, Fascism, Nazism, are all autocracies no different than Feudalism. When the reins of power are in the hands of one man or one party, it's no different than a King and his Barons picking the winners and losers and dividing up the spoils. The only difference being in what you call these people. What is the difference between a Baron, a Gauleiter, a Regional Party Chairman? None, in real terms. The ordinary guy gets it in the neck and the central authority feeds off the spoils.
History tells us that centrally directed economies are doomed to fail or at best be dead-ends. Look at China vs North Korea. China took the lid off of their economy and is booming, North Korea is where China was a generation ago because nobody can open a toaster factory and make a profit. China is still an autocracy, but they took their hands off the economic sector.
So, to get back to the topic; The Reich, under the same rules of 1940, would be a collapsed state in short order. The economy boomed during the war because they essentially looted all the states they captured to feed war production and a massive war machine at home. What happens in peace? All those soldiers come home at the same time the factories close. Can you turn that over to a peacetime economy? No, not really, because you've destroyed all your trade partners and customers in neighboring states. The vassal states have no money to buy your toasters and the free states outside your sphere don't want any part of your toasters.
All these gigantic projects like the Ruhmeshalle were planned after the start of the war and destruction of the cities like Berlin. Paid by the occupied countries and built by slave workers i guess.
Nazi Germany was almost bankrupt in 1939, without the war it would not had the money to build useless prestige buildings. The Ruhmeshalle was planned as a symbol for those who lost their lives during the war.
No one knows what would have happened, but i am pretty sure that fascism in Germany without Hitler wouldn't have survived. Just look at communism, how long did it exist even after winning the war and controlling half of the world?
Good point. I often compare Nazi Germany to medieval feudal monarchy or kingdom, barbarity included.
China hasn't really taken their hands off; it's more that they unleashed a dragon and haven't yet worked out how to get it back under control. The growth of new businesses has vastly outpaced the government's ability to regulate them; with corresponding issues over worker and consumer safety. Corruption is rife, and pollution horrific. 10 million skilled Chinese emigrated in the last decade.
In China, 98% of bank assets are state owned. State owned enterprises get enormous funds/subsidies to compete on the rest of the world, undercutting competition in "strategic" goods, from steel to telecommunication equipment.
Luxury and consumer items, and the service sector have private industries. Most others are joint private-state ventures or State-Owned Enterprises. It's going to be quite a while yet until that economy is free.
Communism lasted quite a while; since 1917, with the ruling party in China still calling itself "Communist". The issue with the Soviet system, was one of legacy from Stalin and events leading to WW2. The decision to focus on the heavy industry needed to defend the country (there was a debate at the time during the 20's), and the war itself, meant powerful vested interests that were unwilling and unable to change post war, and no one left with the political force to do so. Simply put, the military-industrial-energy complex within the Soviet system post WW2 was such a large player in the political system, it became impossible to encroach it. When Gorby tried to affect change, even 50 years later, it was military-industry-energy players that tried to coup him.
I'm sure Nazi Germany could have continued to exist, but they would've had to change their rhetoric and priorities a tad. Many a country has been reduced to economic ruin with their leadership near-intact. Going for the option of receiving overseas colonies instead of Danzig (historically Germany was offered the return of colonies in exchange for Eastward guarantees; Hitler refused) would provide Germany with Diamonds, Copper, Gold, Uranium, Lead, Tin, Zinc and Vanadium (if they got returned Namibia: but in 1940, most of these were undeveloped if known at all).
Soviet communism fought a long agony.
The Nazis tried to breed the future leaders in the so called NAPOLA, a political school for the most talented male teenagers. Maybe this would have resulted in a leading class intelligent enough for the tasks of the future. But among the actual leading Nazis there were some really stupid ones like Ribbentrop or Bormann and Nerds like Himmler so it would have been a question of years when these guys were swept away by the military or a war.