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Discussion in 'Free Fire Zone' started by Biak, Feb 26, 2020.

  1. Jack B

    Jack B Active Member Patron  

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    Jack's Manhattan...this evening's version....

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    2 oz Maker's Mark
    3/4 oz Noilly Pratt Sweet Vermouth
    1 dash Angostura Aromaticbitters
    1 dash Angostura Orange Bitters
    Cherries (for full pretentious effect.)
     
  2. LRusso216

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    I had a nice cup of Constant Comment tea. :):thumbup:
     
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  3. Biak

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    I'm going light tonight, just two fingers of Buchanan's Master.
     
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    Thought I didn't much like any sort of Whisky, then a mate paid off his mortgage & caught the habit of ridiculously expensive Bourbons.
    Some of the nicest boozes I've ever had, but lordy you pay for the privilege. The price point between 'meh' & 'bloody hell!' is eye-watering.
     
  5. Biak

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    I hear ya. I thought I might give Johnnie Walker Blue a try until I saw the $200 price tag. NOPE moving on. Then found something called Pappy Van Winkle at $2,500 ???? Oh Hell No !
    I might over indulge and reach near the hundred dollar mark (shh, don't repeat that) but Come On !
     
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    Macallan 40 yo scotch, $14,999.00 U$.
     
  7. Papanate

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    That is not true. Low end 'budget' bourbons are chill filtered - it's less expensive to process it and doesn't take as long to get it to retail. Higher quality Bourbons - Angels Envy, Buffalo Trace, Blanton's etc...are all non chill filtered.
     
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    Yeah, I've discovered that quite a few bourbons are not chill-filtered. I'm glad to see that.

    However, Buffalo Trace does chill-filter:

    "And one last thing: all Buffalo Trace’s whiskey is chill-filtered. In the world of Scotch, these are dirty words, and yet our tour guide said it with a measure of pride. Chill filtering ensures the bourbon doesn’t cloud up in transit or storage, and is purely cosmetic. Purists cry blasphemy, and others just shrug."
    Too bad. I like Buffalo Trace and Eagle Rare (also by Buffalo Trace). Both of those are high-quality whiskies in my mind, and good value.
     
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    Jim Beam has apparently released a non-chill-filtered Bourbon now, too. Progress!

    Mrs Jack likes Maker's Mark, they don't chill-filter the Cask Strength (I'm told). Might have to try that one.
     
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  10. Papanate

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    I tend to enjoy a dram of Angels Envy, Blanton's, Buffalo Trace and sometimes Bulleit - although Bulleit is a little too 'hot' for me. Generally I have a Rocks Glass with a large Sphere or Cube of Ice and a 'two fingers' pour. For you non old westerners that's 2 ounces.

    I've also have Pappy Van Winkle's 20 year - and it didn't cost $2500 it was $120 in North Carolina in 2010 - and now it's about $225 retail and sold through a lottery at liquor and ABC stores. Pappy's is okay - high octane 90 proof - and while it was good - I wouldn't go out of my way to find it. Since 2002 Buffalo Trace has been distilling Pappy's - Preston Van Winkle manages the Bourbon recipe as the 4th generation in the Van Winkle tradition. The mythical status of Pappy's and Blanton's annoys me to no end.
     
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    Looks like Blanton's is also chill-filtered:

    "While aging is certainly important to the Blanton’s Single Barrel formula, we should also point out that this Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey is derived from a Corn – Rye – Malted Barley recipe utilizing a sour mash. After distillation Blanton’s is matured in charred white oak barrels and chill filtered, before being bottled at 93 proof in a truly unique spherical glass vessel with hand written labels indicating everything from the date the whiskey was dumped."
     
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    Yeah...I just read up on that. Aside from the transparency change I haven't notice any significant difference - and at heart don't really care. These days I am increasingly annoyed with the mythification of Bourbons and Whiskeys. It drives the price up beyond most peoples means - and creates an artificial demand. IOWs it's just marketing
    and people are being played for their money.
     
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    Too true.
     
  14. KodiakBeer

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    I don't know what tariffs or taxes the EU throws on bourbon, but here you can get some very good whiskeys in the $30 to $40 range. Woodford Reserve is normally about $32 and is my go-to brand. Russell's Reserve about the same. Knob Creek even less, though some people don't like the high alcohol burn at the finish. 1792 is hard to find even here, but not very expensive and has wonderful woody flavors.

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    Anybody like moonshine, aka "corn liquor"? My cousins make a lot of it, when they're not in jail that is.
     
  16. Jack B

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    I've only had real 'shine' once, courtesy of a buddy in Missouri, 'nuf said.

    I have tried various makers' "White Dog" offerings. Not exactly smooth and mellow, but kinda fun.
     
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    Like is kinda' stretch but "Interesting" fits for me. A friend who was in the 101st brought me a Mason jar of true 'Moonshine' a few years back. He spend a pleasurable weekend, his words, with a buddy just East of Fort Campbell who knew a guy who knew a guy that knew where to get some real honest to goodness backwoods 'shine'. His plan was to bring me a bottle but after all was said and done I only ended up with 2/3nds of a bottle. He apologized for his indulgence and we shared another few token tastes which left me with the last 1/3nd. Just a little goes a Looong way!

    From reading/researching on the web I've decided to go with the principle of "sample, sample and then try another" until I find something I like. If I have to get on a list for a lottery dispersal that one isn't the one for me. I checked on the Pappy Van Winkle (website vendors list) and it isn't available anywhere within a days drive. Marketing drives the masses to so strange things. If I can find the Woodford Reserve that will be my first choice. If not going with Makers Mark.
     
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    Maker's Mark is made with wheat and none, or almost no rye. It's a pleasant whiskey, but akin to Miller Light vs Guinness. No balance. Nice start, but no woody dry finish. Woodford or Russell's Reserve are easy to find. I prefer Woodford, but Russell's is good also. 1792 is also a good one to look for, but hard to find.

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    We're heading into the 'big' town next week and I plan on picking up Something? Probably the Woodford Reserve. It doesn't take much to please me but more importantly once I find something I like I tend to hang on to it.
    I'm a PBR kind of guy so more of a traditionalist I guess. A man of simple means, simple tastes and some say a simple mind. Keeps me out of trouble most days.
     
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    Maple Old Fashioned:

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    • 2 fingers Maker's Mark
    • 2 dashes orange bitters
    • 1/2 teaspoon (1 splash) Maple syrup
    • Orange peel, twisted
    • Ice to taste
    -- stir
    -- sip and savour
     

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