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Discussion in 'Western Europe 1943 - 1945' started by FroggyDom, Aug 22, 2011.

  1. FroggyDom

    FroggyDom Member

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    View attachment 14055 Yes finally, I think he may be Turner, the ear is strictly the same...
    (I hope you understant everything, I make some mistakes in english)
     

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  2. Skipper

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    and so are most of the medals. I assume some additional medals were earned between both pics. Also not all recalls can be seen on the first picture. I'll try to look for more details
     
  3. FroggyDom

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    :DI think there was a lot of potatoes and pastries when he was eating at the army, he looks thiner after
    :D

    tie wearing is the same too!

    well; the guy who asked me the question to find this admiral wants me to go to Us Navy museum to be sure.
    I'm going to DC in october to see my children, I think I'll have a little bit time to.

    could you tell me was was Turner doing in 1944 ?
    I still wonder why he is in museum in Normandy if he has never been there
    Domi
     
  4. lwd

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    From this:
    C. Turner Joy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    or this:
    Joy, Charles Turner
    I think he would have been in DC for at least the first few months.
    This doesn't list him as having the Navy cross
    Valor awards for Charles Turner Joy | Military Times Hall of Valor
    Which was mentioned earlier



    Some more pictures of him here:
    US People--Joy, Charles Turner (1895-1956)
     
  5. lwd

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    Found a list of naval acadamy graduates at:
    List of United States Naval Academy alumni - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Going through it I found:
    Walter Schindler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    He recieved both a navy cross and a silver star but I didn't find a picture of him.
    If it's a bronze star rather than a sliver star
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Edmund_Beatty,_Jr.
    might be a candidate. AS might:
    James H. Flatley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    back to the mix of navy cross and silver star here are some more possible candidates:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Higgins_(admiral)
    Edmond Konrad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Bernard A. Clarey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The latter is listed as having the Philippine liberation medal as well as others mentioned.
     
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  6. FroggyDom

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    hi
    thank you for all these information, I send them to my french correspondant on 39/45 forum
    good evening (for me)
     
  7. George Patton

    George Patton Canadian Refugee

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    I'm not sure about Clarey - he has the Navy DSM, which the man in the OP's photo doesn't have. While it is possible he earned it after the photo was taken, Clarey had 5 of them -- surely he must have earned at least one by the time the photo was taken?

    According to the "Home of the Heroes" website, here is a list of all admirals that received the Navy Cross during WW2. This list seems to be missing a few names, so I am going to assume that these are the men that held flag rank when the recieved the medal (ie: did not recieve the medal before they became an admiral).

    Walden L Ainsworth, RADM
    Wilder D Baker, RADM
    Daniel E Barbey, RADM
    Russell S Berkey, RADM
    Gerald F Bogan, RADM
    Robert B Carney, RADM
    Joseph J Clark, RADM
    Robert W Hayler, RADM (3 Navy Crosses)
    Henry K Hewitt, (1 NC in WW1, 1 in WW2)
    Charles P Mason, RADM
    Aaron S Merrill, RADM
    Marc A Mitcher, VADM (3 Navy Crosses)
    Alfred E Montgomery, RADM
    Ralph A Ofstie, RADM
    Jesse B Oldendorf, RADMg
    John D Price, RADM
    Theodore D Ruddock, RADM (2 Navy Crosses)
    Frederick C Sherman, RADM (1 NC in WW1, 2 in WW2)
    Clifton A F Sprague, RADM
    Thomas L Sprague, RADM
    Raymond A Spruance, ADM (NC)
    Felix B Stump, RADM (2 Navy Crosses)
    Mahlon S Tisdale, RADM (1 NC in WW1, 1 in WW2)
    Richmond K Turner, RADM
    George L Weyler, RADM
    Lloyd J Wiltse, RADM
    Carleton H Wright, RADM

    Of these, Wilder D Baker seems to be the only one that has any similarities:

    http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h83000/h83696.jpg

    However, I am 90% sure these aren't the same men. I'm working on finding a list of officers that received both the NC and SS - hopefully I can find something.

    EDIT: In my opinion, the man in the photo was likely a captain, and retired after obtaining the lowest rear admiral rank. It is unusual for a flag officer not to have the Navy Distinguished Service Medal, which means he was likely not an admiral long enough to recieve it (or he held small commands during his time as an admiral that didn't warrant the medal). This means that finding his identity would be much more difficult.
     
  8. George Patton

    George Patton Canadian Refugee

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    I started going through the list of Captains who recieved the NC (and then google-searching their names with "admiral" to see if they ever held the rank, and if they did, then tried to find a photo). This might find our person, but will take a lot of time. I started, but don't have the time to finish.

    Out of the few names I did check, the only match is Robert J Archer -- he was in the PTO, and retired as a RADM.

    If anyone wants to carry on the search, here is the list I've been using: http://www.homeofheroes.com/members/02_NX/indexes/06_ncross_wwii-listAll.html
     
  9. Tristan Scott

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    I think it looks like Ofstie.

    View attachment 14071

    The medals match, the nose, chin and jaw match.

    The only thing is the mystery admiral isnt wearing wings, and I don't think Ofstie was in Europe.
     

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    George Patton Canadian Refugee

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    Tristain, I think you may be right. I don't know how I missed that. Here is an older photo of Ofstie from a similar angle as the unknown admiral.

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    They only problem with this is that Ofstie was a naval aviator, and he had the DSM -- which the other admiral does not.
     

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