Why I don't like John Wayne

I don't entirely agree with the view that the Duke is a better WW2 actor while Clint is a better Western actor. I think this perception could be explained by the fact that the Duke had been able to do more WW2 based films, including actual WW2 propaganda films, than Clint.
As for saying Clint is the better Western actor than the Duke, I think it would be more proper to state that Clint was given the opportunity to explore a vaster range of Western characters than the Duke.
Remember, the Duke made Westerns (and other movies) at a time when Hollywood was more into typecasting. Actors (and actresses) tend to play similarly themed characters in Duke's time. Note the career of Errol Flynn. Also take note with what happened to George Reeves. He had a very meaty role in From Here to Eternity but many of his scenes were cut because the test audience shouted "Superman" every time he was in the scene.
Clint came at the tail end of this era and was thus allowed to play grittier type characters than the Duke was allowed to play. This was what set Clint's Western acting apart when compared to the Duke's style of Western acting.

 

You've been hanging around the wrong guys! I do that every day!

 

Quite welcome. Yep, that he was.

Also, I started collecting DC Comics because I read titles like: Sgt. Rock (formerly known as) Our Army At War, G.I. Combat (formerly known as) Our Fighting Forces--I think? Jonah Hex, Scalphunter, Enemy Ace, Blitzkrieg, Wierd War Tales, The Unknown Soldier, Gunner & Sarge, and other DC titles. The only Marvel title I read was Sgt. Fury and His Howling Commandos.

 

One thing you Ladies and Gents need to remember about Duke. Duke came out at least 30 years before Clint Eastwood-meaning that his very early years were laughable-until about the mid 1930's. Also, he became an "A" list Star, because of the movie: "Stagecoach."

Another thing about some of his movies bing a bit "campy" you have to remember that those were his earlier movies made during a much different time than those of Eastwoods movies. I love his war movies but, find most of his 1940's stuff to be so Patriotic--which they were meant to be-so therefore, those movies will always seem a bit "campy" with the exception of Sands of Iwo Jima. ;-))

 

Nowadays when a man opens a car door for a lady, it means that either the car is new or the lady is new. And even then...

Oh, quit weaselling, will you? :lol:

 

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Well said.

 

To those who think a certain way, I'm not trying to sway, I can pnly post my view.

My family fell apart when I was six. My dad was gone, and my mother started acting like a teenager-frequently gone.

John Wayne became my father figure. He became that which I wanted to be. I've been in leadership roles and/or jobs all my life. Ever notice The Duke always seemed to be in charge?

You might've not liked his acting, or views, but to a lonely kid in a remote small town, he meant the world to me.

 

BRAVO, WELL SAID, very well said. I know of others who also had Duke as a role model when they had no other. You can meet some of these fine folks at: JWMB - The Original John Wayne Message Board! and John Wayne Both men and women have had Duke as their role model and I admit, he has always been one of mine. Duke had some great values to live by and also being very patriotic, and also a God fearing Man.

PS, welcome to this fine site Lias!!!

 

can't blame a guy for trying can you!

 

On the contrary, Sands of Iwo Jima was one of the campiest. Not Wayne's acting, persay, but the whole movie.
All that behind the scenes bickering, Sgt. Striker in town on leave. Gives that woman money
for her kid(vomit). Some Jap is calling out "Striker, Striker" during one scene and the other
guy says "aren't you going out to get him?" blah,blah,blah
One guy leaves the battle to get ammo but stops for a 'cup of joe' and his buddies get bayoneted by the Japs.(more vomiting)
It stunk.

 

So very true Mr. Za

I have to spread some around, or.....

 

Sorry, I misread you. So you mean every day you hang around the wrong guys, is that it?

Wow! Talk about an inclusive forum!

 

uh oh, busted again!

 

then you must be over 40! no one under that age seems to have any manners these days!

 

LOL-true!....once the bloom is off the rose...

 

yep, I'm 43!

 

Hi FramerT, it still has to be remembered that the movie was a product of 1948 or 1949 (I forget which?) which means that the way this movie was made-was still a "sign of the times."

A slight correction though. The guy calling out "Stryker...Stryker-and Sarge, Sarge-was his wounded buddy-the Corporal Bass, I think was his name? John Agar (Pvt Conway) was the one who asked if Stryker was going to go out and get him and when he said not-and (Conway) said he would-Duke merely aimed his M1 Garand at Conways face and threatened to shoot. That scene in fact, is one of my most favorite scenes in the whold movie. In fact, John Wayne almost won an Oscar because of his acting in that scene. Duke was only just beat out by a movie thet Gregory Peck made, and also had to compete with others for that catagory, including James Cagney, Henry Fonda and I forget who else? Anyway, the movie might not perpetuate 100% accuracy but, you have to admit that it's still a very well-made movie and is not a "dated" one.

I agree that the "Cup-of-Joe" scene was a wierd one but, it still fit in with the storyline without a glitch.

 

That makes you a middle fart at best.