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Discussion in 'The Stump' started by A-58, Feb 2, 2022.

  1. A-58

    A-58 Cool Dude

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    It looks like Belarus allowed the Rooskies to launch an attack from inside their country. That's probably not going to set well with their neighbors in the post-war era.
     
  2. harolds

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    OK, here's my opinion. What he said, given the current circumstances, is getting close to treason. Not there YET, but getting there. A lot of people don't realize it, but we are in a war right now. It just hasn't gotten to the point where we're involved in the shooting, but I expect that to change--soon.
     
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    How is it close to treason? Whos treason?
    The US is helping to bolster the neighbouring (NATO) countries...basically trying to keep things to the Ukraine, and trying to prevent things spilling over. Putin has said that any country fighting for Ukraine will be an act of war and things will escalate...I'm surprised at the lack of footage at the moment...everyone has a camera phone. Good on the Russian public risking arrest to protest...Right now feels like a "phoney war"...are we nearing the end of the beginning or the beginning of the end? Probably the former...As predicted Putin (and by association) Russia has become an international pariah...So its probably the latter for Putin.
     
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  4. harolds

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    I agree that the USA is doing the right thing. Russia (Putin) is now our enemy-that much is certain. This certain "talking head" at Fox News has been taking Russia's side and been forwarding their propaganda. To me, that's getting close to "giving aid and comfort to the enemy"!

    However, I do feel some sympathy for the Russian people. They're not responsible for this mess. I'm sure they don't want their sons, husbands, and loved ones to become casualties any more than most other people.
     
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    There is no treason here folks. Treason is a crime specifically spelled in the US Constitution. If events and persons do not rise to the specifically spelled out requirements, then there is no treason and bandying about charges of same is simply indicative of a lack of knowledge.
     
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    "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

    Harolds wrote: This certain "talking head" at Fox News has been taking Russia's side and been forwarding their propaganda

    This kinda fits "in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."

    Its a stretch but still a relevant point of view morally if not legally.

    Lets say unpatriotic then...
     
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    You didn't read my post carefully. Did I say it WAS treason?
     
  8. A-58

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    The statements by the FOX personality in question may be closer to sedition, but not treason.
     
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    Here’s one for you strategists…
    What would happen if the US moved significant forces to the coast of Alaska? With so much of Russia’s forces in and around Ukraine, would they think to bring some back to protect the east? America can use Putin’s play book…’just an exercise mate, nothing to worry about’. If the Ukraine then bombed/sabotage (insurgents)…the roads and bridges leading from Ukraine to Russia creating a bottle neck of forces to bolster the east, making a gathered target for Ukrainian forces to attack.

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    Would China be watching closely how things are unfolding in lieu of their ambitions toward Taiwan…is the play book being somewhat written for them as we speak?
     
  11. USMCPrice

    USMCPrice Idiot at Large

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    Putin wouldn't worry. He knows we (the US) lack the political will and public support to invade Russia. A threat only works if it's credible. I really doubt that the political will exists in most of the western European countries to do more than rattle sabers and apply sanctions on Russia for a time. They won't last because they need Russia energy. Eastern Europe on the other hand has a history with Soviet/Warsaw Pact rule and will be much more likely to be willing to fight. I'd guess, unless the Ukraine inflicts serious losses on the Russian invaders, their assimilation will go pretty much like Crimea's did back in 2014.
     
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    Be careful of putting a lot of faith in accurate reporting from MSM sources. One of my former troops that is currently a CIA contractor has been sending me reports and links to news. Been getting a lot of texts from others that are still connected.
    Apparently, the Ukrainians have given the Rooskies a pretty bad black eye in fighting at the Gostomel airport near 15km NW of Kiev. The Ukrainian forces shot down a bunch of Russian helicopters and their 4th Rapid Response Brigade retook the airport wiping out the Russian paratroops and forestalling a large airlanding of follow-on troops that were apparently already in the air. There are reports that one Ukranian MiG-29 pilot had 6 kills today vs various Russian aircraft.

    Ukrainian Troops Retake Key Airport From Russian Paratroopers (coffeeordie.com)
     
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    If I heard right Ukraine has 40 million people. There will be a nice sized army even if created a bit late. There will be many dead Russians. It seems at the moment Putin is not getting his fast solution to bringing down the Ukraine Army and government. The bad thing is that Putin has reserves to add to the fighting force. But many dead Russians on the way back home in coffins and the people of Russia were not warned of this possibility. The more coffins the more crying and unhappy Russians. This was meant to be a summer picnic but turns out as a massacre.
     
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    In the North of Kiev Russian troops are seen 9 kilometres or 5-6 miles from the city center. Also an airport Hostomel close to Kiev was taken by Russian forces with some 200 helicopters making this possible. Info from the BBC news page.
     
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    Hostomel is an alternate name for Gostomel airport. The Russians did take it yesterday then the Ukrainian 4th Rapid Response Brigade retook it and were hunting down the remaining Russians that had fled into the woods. I haven't seen anything to indicate it was taken a second time. There a lot of videos coming out this morning of downed Russian/Belarus helicopters (allegedly) near the airport. Yesterday there were reports that 6 or 7 being shot down during the fight.
     
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    These aren’t transports he’s taking out…The SU-25s were valuable targets…
     
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    Pulled this from the AFA site,

    Meanwhile, the Ukrainian Armed Forces claimed to have destroyed 80 Russian tanks, 10 airplanes, seven helicopters, 516 armored combat vehicles and count 2,800 Russian soldiers dead. In turn, Ukraine reports 137 Ukrainian deaths and 316 wounded with no distinction between military and civilian, according to information provided by a Ukrainian defense official to Air Force Magazine.

    I'd believe this far more than any Russian release.

    Pentagon: Ukraine Resists, Russian Momentum Slows but Kyiv Siege Continues - Air Force Magazine

    Edit to add;
    Finland and Sweden are reconsidering their reluctance to apply for admission to NATO.
     
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    Yup, it's all over the news that Putin warned them that if they did it would mean war. You'd think after what Finland did to the USSR during the "Winter War" in WWII they'd be hesitant to take them on again.
     

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