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  1. Biak

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    Russian vodka pulled from shelves in US, Canada bars, liquor stores: ‘Every small thing makes a difference’
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    I guess we must then act according to the Red Army slogan from ww2: " Take at least one enemy with you..."
     
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    That's too bad. I just learned yesterday that the Bw was a shadow of it's former self. It used to be considered, man for man, the best force in Europe. Is the Blw in as bad of shape?
    It's starting to look like Ukraine is Finland re deux. I hope they can hold on!
     
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    Last night the Soviets attacked the gas line to Kharkov and ruptured it. Close to Kiev they blew up an oil Terminal. It is supposed the next targets will be gas and oil infra structures. Kharkov was thought to be close to be lost, the 2nd biggest city in Ukraine.
     
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    Negotiations expected in the Belarus border soon. At the same time Putin informs that the Soviet nuclear weapon units are set to top alarm readiness. Quite snake-eyed action, I think
     
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    Starting tomorrow credit cards don't work in Russia and the Ruble keeps crashing down in value. Expect big problems for the economy. Russian Banks also find themselves isolated to Russia.
     
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    Denmark sends 2,000 at weapons to Ukraine. Belarus has sent parts of its army to help the Russians in the offensive. Lukasenko will go down with Putin. Economical sanctions will only hurt the normal citizens not Kreml according to Putin. I think it shows how much respect he shows to Mother Russia-none. As long as he is safe-forget the people. You could make a great rap song in the net of what Putin has said. Anyone know someone rapper who wants to Make Putin go down? Kph
     
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    I'm wondering why:
    Because Ukraine isn't a member of NATO it can't (isn't) be(ing) joined against the aggressor country by members of NATO or non aligned countries.
     
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    The Russians are using thermo bombs, which create massive havoc. New troops are closing in on Kiev , the 5 km convoy is now 65 km long. Some 500,000 have fled the country so far but the final figure is expected to be 2-6 million.
    In Russia credit cards don't t work, facebook is almost shut, ruple is going down, Banks keep their doors shut, prices are going up.
    People have a hard time buying Food.
     
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    Usually war is good for the economy, but not so much in this case. Hopefully the hardships on the Rooskie Home Front will contribute to the grinding to a halt to the hostilities.
     
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    Picked this from Facebook.

    History Lesson...
    Courtesy of Dillion Daniels:
    Here's the scoop on Ukraine that the Western Media isn't giving you.
    The conflict is complex, but I'll try to keep this succinct and you can study up on your own from there.
    The Russo-Ukranian conflict has been many decades in the making. Perhaps the best place to start is in 1991 with the Belovezha Accords.
    This agreement effectively dissolved the major power blocs in the Soviet Union, namely the socioeconomic and political connections between Russia, Belarus, and the Ukraine.
    Before and after the Belovezha, former USSR parties met with Western leaders to establish a new paradigm. Many things happened as a result of these meetings, but for the sake of the story we're telling here we'll focus on the one:
    In exchange for dissolving the Soviet bloc, the US and NATO agreed NOT to move the NATO one inch east of Germany.
    Since that time, NATO has moved 650+ miles East, right up to the Russian border.
    Most of the former Soviet states of the North now house NATO military installations including long range missile silos. The one region which did not, was the Ukraine.
    Obviously the US didn't like this, the Ukraines grassy plains provide a quick thoroughfare into the heart of Western Europe in the event of a Russia-NATO conflict.
    Back in the early 2000s going into the teens, the Ukraine began to be racked by political instability over a dispute on wether or not to join the EU and NATO, with much of the West wanting to join EU-NATO, and much of the East wanting to join the Russian sphere of influence and the BRICS. (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa currency and trade collective.)
    Why would they want to join BRICS rather than EU-NATO?
    Many reasons, but to keep it brief: to avoid the IMF debt trap, to avoid NATO military GDP% spending, the history of NATO being lead by former Third Reich Wehrmacht and SS heads, as well as a predisposition many regions in the Ukraine have towards the capitalist west.
    Not all parties wanted the dissolution of the USSR, including many socialists in the Donbas region of the Ukraine.
    Enter 2014.
    Heightened electoral tensions in the Ukraine resulted in clashes between different militias groups. The US and NATO opted to arm and finance white supremacist and Nazi militias such as the Azov battalion; who carried out a mass guerilla campaign of murdering ethnic minorities in Donbas, including Jews, as well as socialists and Russian separatists. This, alongside with US intelligence community interference in Ukranian elections, led to a government taking power in Ukraine which has deep ties to Nazism and fascist economic theory.
    In response, pro-socialist militias began fighting back in the Donbas, wanting to form the breakaway states of The People's Republics of Donetsk and Luhansk. The fascist Ukrainian government views these two separatists as terrorists and wants them crushed.
    The conflict ended with the Minsk Agreement, which you can read about yourself for greater detail, but amounts to this: a demilitarized zone, and a series of promises from NATO that they would cease sending military aid to the Ukrainian government.
    Did the US and NATO keep their word?
    Of course not.
    From 2014 to now there has been increasing instances of Ukranian hate groups attempting to purge jews, ethnic minorities, socialists, and pro-russian separatists in the Donbas, as well as a steady flow of arms and cash to the Ukranian government, in direct violation of the Minsk Agreement.
    Now how does this all come to now?
    The kettle has finally spilled over, and the Russian Federation has formally recognized Donetsk and Luhansk as sovereign nations separate from The Ukraine. Under the current UN charter, this gives the Russian Federation a right to intervene. As of now, it is a LEGAL military action, unlike that of the US expedition into Iraq and Libya. Which is one reason you haven't seen much coming out of the United Nations on the subject. Yet anyway.
    This current military excursion is an attempt to quickly and decisively destroy military installations and execute high profile military targets. It also serves as a show of force:
    "NATO back off, we will not stand for further encircelment."
    What will happen now remains to be seen. Barring further US NATO meddling, or a mass Ukranian counter attack, it is likely that the conflict will end shortly without Russia occupying Ukraine, with a contingent force left behind in the People's Republics of Donetsk and Luhansk to maintain defense and order while those governments build up their own militias.
    To those who view this as an invasion of a "sovereign nation" well, that depends on how you look at it. The people in Donbas don't seem to want to be a part of the cementing power structures of fascism in the Ukraine, they want their own political and economic saliency away from the EU-NATO-IMF economic order.
    Furthermore, some history on the Ukraine may be useful. Much of the Ukraine, including Donbas and Crimea, had been a part of Russia since the early to mid 1700s; with these regions being turned over to the Ukraine for economic and administrative reasons back in 1950, while The Ukraine was still part of the Soviet Bloc.
    A majority of people in these regions speak Russian as their first language, they view themselves as Russian, not as Ukranian, and view Western capitalism with disdain.
    Does this all make Russia a "good guy?"
    Short answer?
    No.
    But given NATO encirclement, Russias response appears reasonable. Are they aiding Donetsk and Luhansk solely from the goodness or their heart? Certainly not. But the Russian federation views the people there as Russian, and from a geopolitical standpoint this is just real politique.
    Russia wants to have a buffer zone between them and NATO, the people of Donbas want separatism and not to be tied down economically to Western super structures.
    While the West is attempting, apparently successfully, to paint this as a war of aggression, it is in its essence a defense military action coming as the result of 30+ years of US-NATO military expansion.
    As the old saying goes:
    "Sometimes the best defense is an offense."
    It is sad to see a situation like this devolve into violence, but it is the direct result of US-NATO meddling in elections, arming fascists, and attempting regime change like they have in all parts of the world.
    The US has built this disaster by perpetuating their Cold War hysteria, and by having abandoned a policy of Detente which would have halted NATO expansion as well military proliferation.
    There can be no detente in a nation whose entire economy is built on Military Industrial spending.
    I see a lot of information circulating about Russias doing this to stop any dip to their Petro currency, with the belief that a developing of Ukranian fossil fuel infrastructure would be a serious threat to Russian energy hegemony.
    While this may play a role in the conflicts determinants, i highly doubt it is a real consideration behind closed doors, considering such infrastructure could take decades to develop while the world continues to move away from fossil fuels as its major energy source; furthermore, throwing the dice on a military excursion that would seriously hurt Russian market value potentially beyond the short term on a negligible amount of competition seems foolish.
    It's hard to say what's coming, conflicts can contract or expand with a single stray bullet; but this much is clear:
    The US and NATO need to stay out of this conflict, they need to cease armament and expansion; and they need to pursue a policy of detente so that this violence starts and ends in the Donbas.
     
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    Meanwhile in Baton Rouge....,


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    This is a Daquiri machine in case anyone was not familiar with such a contraption.
     
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    This goes to show how complicated things can be.
    In a simplistic view one might say; If Nations stopped fearing other Nations we all might be able to get along. Well maybe and if all nations realize that Manifest Destiny is no longer prudent nor legal.
     
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    Just gotta hope the weapons sent wil give so much damage to the Russian Army they will find it impossible to continue. Then it would almost surely mean Putin has to step down.
     
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    Germany is sending 2.700 land-to-air missiles to the Ukrainian troops. A nice set of missiles, there.
     
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    Any good scoop from the Eastern Front today?
     
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    This guy is putting down his bag of popcorn.

    American heads to Ukraine to fight on front lines after wedding. A former Marine is leaving his new wife behind and putting his life on the line to join the fight in Ukraine. The Associated Press

    Ukrainian drone enthusiasts sign up to repel Russian forces
     

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