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Heinrich Severloh The beast of Omaha

Discussion in 'Omaha Beach' started by Jim, Feb 14, 2012.

  1. RichTO90

    RichTO90 Well-Known Member

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    Okay Mr. Expert Opinion, here is a reasonable question to ask...exactly who, besides you, has expressed ANY OPINIONS concerning the capabilities of machine guns?

    Meanwhile, try answering this simple and reasonable question:

    "If two MG34s were firing, how many pop cans... err I mean Americans... would be killed per belt of ammo?"
     
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    Nope, I think he's too old for airsoft. Remember he's around a hundred
     
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    Actually, no it does not...

    For if you had read Severloh's book, you would know that he had to resort to firing his rifle while both barrels(original + spare) cooled. He popped of some 400 shots from his rifle during the down times.

    Or is Severloh a liar?
     
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    He says he is around 100, but acts as if he is 14-15...But, it would go a long way to explain the senility.
     
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    Um, somehow he seems to have confused design generation with weight and classification. I suppose its due to the same error he made when claiming the Heer classified its machine guns as light, medium, and heavy rather than the light and heavy classifications they actually used.
     
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    Oh, come now Rich.

    You know that is how these myths go...
     
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    ANSWER: Twice as many as one, all other things being equal.

    OPINION: Anyone who wants a reasonable answer from me, should first formulate an intelligent question.
     
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    RichTO90, you know nothing about how the Germans classified their machineguns! I have been laughing myself silly. Please don't do that again, I'm an old man and it is dangerous for me to have too much fun!
     
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    This is the most brain dead group of groupthinkers that I have ever attempted to carry on a reasonable conversation with. You fellas are clueless. I get the feeling that I am dealing with snowflakes who are so enraged that Heelery lost the election that they need a coloring book and a safe place so they can hide from the real world where facts exist outside their control. Get over it!
     
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    Regretfully, we have long since stopped expecting reasonable answers from you...Such is the empirical evidence contained within your posts.
     
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    ANSWER: According to the legend, there was the "Beast" of Omaha, not the "Beasts" of Omaha. Pay attention in class.
     
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    Heelery???

    Sorry, but I am not from Great Britain. Teresa May won that race, but I don't know who her competition was.
     
  13. RichTO90

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    Well, the best part of this myth is that it was created in 1962, when "Paul Carell" published Sie Kommen and invented the "Beast of OMAHA" moniker. It then more or less disappeared until Severloh was first interviewed by Der Spiegel about his friendship with David Silva. The problem is, until then, there is no mention of such a beast in any of the numerous interviews conducted of the participants in the action.
     
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    According to you, anyone firing an MG-34/42 is a "Beast"...

    And there were a lot more MG-34/42s firing at Omaha than just one...

    I see that you have not been paying attention in class.
     
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    Well class, the dunce finally got it right. It is a legend, or a myth if you prefer. A tale based on events that was embellished over the years until it bears no real resemblance to the events that created it. The moniker was invented in 1962 by a Nazi propagandist and then retold in 2004 and repeated ad nauseum thereafter.

    Yes, he and Gockel, along with the other two positions, created havoc among the elements of E and F Company, 16th Infantry and E Company, 116th Infantry. They largely annihilated those units, killing or wounding about half of the men landed from those craft and the members of the Army-Navy gapping teams assigned there. Except, Team 15 and 16 suffered most of their casualties to mortars and shellfire, according to the interviews done with the survivors and many of the casualties suffered by the infantry were also to artillery and mortar fire, along with mines.

    "The actual landing on FOX GREEN turned into chaos. Elements of three infantry companies in fifteen LCA and LCVP, none of which were supposed to be there, including six boatloads of E Company, 116th Infantry that was over 3,000 yards east of its intended landing place, were intermingled under the fire of WN 60, 61, and 62. About 465 men landed there and it is impossible to know how many fell. In a report that included all casualties incurred to 1200 hours 8 June, E Company, 16th Infantry accounted for one officer and six enlisted men killed, one officer and 78 enlisted men wounded, one officer missing, presumed dead, and 42 enlisted men presumed to be stragglers. F Company, 16th Infantry fared little better; they also had one officer and six enlisted men reported killed, two officers and 64 enlisted men wounded, no less than four officers missing, presumed killed, and 36 enlisted men missing presumed to be stragglers. It may safely be presumed that most of the dead and wounded were incurred on FOX GREEN."
     
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    According to German practice, EIGHT barrels were issued per MG34/MG42. Each of them is a "spare", which is not a reference to a total number. "Firing 400 shots from is rifle" is an indication that he was actually using a MG34 which has a dual trigger and is easy to fire a single shot with. Being a machinegunner, Severloh, would not have been issued a rifle. He could have obtained one. This is not proof that Severloh was a liar. As Germans commonly referred to their long arms as "Gew" meaning "spear", which is why German soldiers are referred to as "lancers" or spearmen. Gew is often translated as "rifle" but it can also mean machinegun.
    What is the name of the book you are referring to?
     
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    Excellent, you finally gave a semi-coherent answer. So then, you believe those 37 MG 42 identical to Severloh's must have inflicted at least 74,000 American casualties.

    Good to know...
     
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    Um no, the German designation "Gew" was an abbreviation for Gewehr or gun. German infantry were known colloquially as Landsers, but the designation for a "rifle company" was Schuetzen or Fusilier. However, in 1943-1944 the official designation changed to Grenadier, except for a few units that retained the Fusilier honorific.

    Spear in German is Speer. Lance is Lanze. Machine gun is Maschinengewehr, which is why the German abbreviation MG is identical to the English abbreviation for machine gun.

    So your knowledge of German is as good as your knowledge of history.
     
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