Holocaust-US did not do enough

..thank you..that is just common sense

 

The statement is true...Jewish refugees were not welcomed in the US. But, than again, no immigrants or refugees were welcomed in the US.

 

Even FDR personal views about Jewish and Asian immigrants/refugees wasn't favorable and a surprise to many today.

What FDR said about Jews in private

 

In private we all say terrible things about other people.

The plan "to spread the Jews thin all over the world" wasn't that bad, morally better than the reconquest of Palestine and displacement of its population.

You forget one thing, the US wasn't the Jews/Asians/Poles keeper. The US owed them nothing.
Young Americans shouldn't have died for some bloody foreigners, it was sufficient they died for their own country.

 

Which is a lie.

Had you bothered to check quotas, you would have found
Asia. 1,423
Africa. 1,200

Further, the quotas were not the real problem, quotas were rarely met
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAOegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw2rlM8KFJw2SdDjrLaY5owV

Expense & going through proper red tape were.

US yearly unemployment was never above 25%.

Immigration was not stopped because all of the bureaucratic red tape was in place to prevent burdens on society from coming to the US, only productive members of society were let in.

 

The Office of the Historian of the U.S. Department of State
The Immigration Act of 1924
The Immigration Act of 1924 limited the number of immigrants allowed entry into the United States through a national origins quota. The quota provided immigration visas to two percent of the total number of people of each nationality in the United States as of the 1890 national census. It completely excluded immigrants from Asia.
...
The 1924 Immigration Act also included a provision excluding from entry any alien who by virtue of race or nationality was ineligible for citizenship. Existing nationality laws dating from 1790 and 1870 excluded people of Asian lineage from naturalizing. As a result, the 1924 Act meant that even Asians not previously prevented from immigrating – the Japanese in particular – would no longer be admitted to the United States. Many in Japan were very offended by the new law, which was a violation of the Gentlemen’s Agreement. The Japanese government protested, but the law remained, resulting in an increase in existing tensions between the two nations. Despite the increased tensions, it appeared that the U.S. Congress had decided that preserving the racial composition of the country was more important than promoting good ties with Japan.

 

Unemployment can be calculated by various methods. Governments invariably choose the most positive for them. And the calculated numbers were inaccurate anyway.

In the 1920s the U.S. government did not attempt to take comprehensive surveys of either the number unemployed or the size of the labor force.
In the 1930s the government did make estimates of the number unemployed, but made no estimates of the size of the labor force so as to calculate unemployment rates.
"Recent Unemployment Rate Estimates for the 1920s and 1930s" by Gene Smiley.

An example, tens of millions of women were excluded from the labor force by so called marriage bars, they were unemployed but never included in the statistics.

 

winner!
....you are correct--no one and no group has a monopoly on being evil!!!
.......there are wars all the time...people being killed/murdered/raped/etc all the time..every year ...conflicts/etc all the time .......we really didn't need or should've been in Korea 1950....we were very wrong to get involved with Vietnam
...so the Shah and SAVAK murdered/executed/etc Iranians...guess what the revolutionaries/Ayatollah/etc did after they took over Iran? murdered/executed/etc = point being it's just about useless and wrong to get into most of the world's problems

 

The idea of dispersing Jews across the country was an element of the recent HBO miniseries The Plot Against America, based on the novel by Philip Roth. It hypothesizes Charles Lindbergh being elected President in 1940 on an "America First" platform and his administration adopting anti-Jewish measures and tolerating anti-Semitism.

SPOILER ALERT

I got into watching it, wanting to see where the storyline would go, but I found the ending anticlimactic.

 

..that sure is some hypothesizing ...wasn't there a lot of isolationalism anyway?
...as stated in my previous post---history has proven--that we should not get involved in most of the world's problems
...how big was anti-Semitism back then? my father would never say anything racist/etc....but his one brother [out of 7 ] would sometimes make quips about Jew this Jew that--but he wasn't preaching or obsessed about it

..wouldn't most candidates have a policy of doing what's good for their country [ their country first ]? wouldn't it be suicidal to run on a policy that promotes other countries before your own?

 

I thought it was quite good as a cautionary tale until the final episode, a rich and complex story got short changed by a rushed and incomplete ending, though is basically hewed to the source material.

 

The anti-Semitism was so terrible than "only" two justice of the Supreme Court were Jewish (so 22 percent of them, from less than 1 percent Jewish minority, the first African-American justice happened in 1967.)
The American Jews were politically influential but subjected, to the usual, shared with other minorities, misanthropy and xenophobia.

Various old boy clubs wouldn't accept them (and the Poles, Irish, Italians) because they weren't good enough.
Such questions have merit only if answered in comparison with other groups, answered in vacuum, without any historical background are fake history by definition.

 

After the war started in '39..I don't think there was much the United States really could do to help..stern protest to the Third Reich??...pass economic sanctions????....freeze assets?...deport all German diplomats???..but I guess some wish that America would of dropped in a couple hundred thousand of air borne troops to liberate those death camps...not so simple as that.

 

Since 1939 the US massively supported France and Britain against Germany with money and weapons (not for free, of course).
Later, Roosevelt and his merry men, by employing dirty means, whipped up pro-war feelings, and months before Pearl Harbor the US unofficially joined the war.

 

Finland btw is the only country in Europe to pay its war debt to the USSR and the USA completely.

 

Now hang on a sec....

Each one of those camps is a crime scene. The very last thing you would want to do, from a strictly legal perspective, is to bomb any one of them. It gives the Nazis a virtual 'blank cheque' to claim that US/UK bombing is what is actually responsible for the deaths in the camp. Holocaust Denial would have been a factor immediately, rather than post war.

Yep.

I think those camps were left as they were, not only for the utter futility of preventing anything going on inside, but so that post-war, the scene of these crimes would be as untampered with as possible, to make denial all that more problematic.
I feel very strongly that British objections based on "divergence of effort" from the bombing campaign were just a convenient excuse for the Allies to not want any tampering with the scene(s) of the Crime. Simple as that IMOH....

Also,...……...

How were the orders for the Holocaust delivered? Where they in code, and if so, would open acknowledgment of what was going on, like bombing the camps, have compromised the ULTRA secret

The whole concept of "We coulda done..." really is an insult to every serving allied soldier that fought those Nazi Ba@@#rds and paid for it with his life. Not to mention a double insult to the Holocaust victims themselves.
The whole issue should have been dealt with in International Courts by that paper tiger the League of Nations when the "Nuremburg Laws" were first passed in German Parliament....1935 wasn't it? or even 1936?...I forget

We should be pushing the onus of "Coulda done" back on the International community itself, rather than eternally blaming the UK/US...

Who wrote that nonsense anyway? I think I'll cancel my subscription should this continue

 

The "why they didn't bomb Auschwitz" accusation is basically an anti-American conspiracy theory. The gas chambers were small buildings at the edge of a massive concentration camp. A high-altitude carpet bombing would kill tens of thousands of prisoners and probably wouldn't score a single hit on the targets.

Some workable ideas could have resulted in destruction of the chambers, but the blame that they weren't pursued is squarely on the Jews because their reaction to the Holocaust was haphazard and basically non-existent.
See, for example, the map below:


it shows frontlines at the time of the deportations of Jews to Auschwitz.
The nearest American airbase was on the other side of the continent in Italy (the green dot). But the Soviets were just 100+ miles from Auschwitz (the red dot). Their (excellent) ground attack planes (for example, the Ilyushin Il-2) could have easily reached Auschwitz, but the Soviets were never asked to do that.

 

Spot on. Only the USSR could have done anything. If they had wanted to do. In September 1944 t5he British Board of Deputies asked the Soviet Union to bomb the extermination camps. No reply was received. There imbalance between post war pressure on the US for its failure to act while there was no criticism of the Soviet union says much more about US susceptibility to pressure by the supporters of the post war .state of Israel.

 

I see it as a legitimate question, beginning in early July 1944, 15th Air Force bombers were routinely hitting targets in the vicinity of Auschwitz.

The gas chambers & crematoria were hardly small at over 300 feet in length.

Kill tens of thousands? If they bombed during the day when the vast majority of the prisoners were away from the camp working? You sure about that?

They also could have bombed the rail lines & marshaling yards which were well known. The marshaling yards were occasionally struck, but only as a target of opportunity.

Nice, but absolutely meaningless map. Since, as I mentioned earlier the 15th Air Force was routinely bombing targets in the Auschwitz area beginning in early July 1944.

 

September 1944 was too late, and it wasn't done properly. Only an appeal to Stalin by a leader equal to him could have given results. This is how politics worked. The British Board of Deputies was nothing and useless in this case.

But it was too late anyway. The majority of Jews were dead by the end of 1942. Most of them were dead by the end of 1943.
Of course, no plane was able to reach death camps at that time.
In 1944 only Hungarian Jews remained and their deportations ended at the end of June 1944. The Jews asked (again in a haphazard manner) for intervention a week earlier. Nobody would be able to do anything in a week.

Of course, I don't have to point out here that June 1944 was the Normandy landings, redirecting of planes at that time to pursue some impossible, illusionary goals would be frankly criminal.