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  1. Maddog71

    Maddog71 Member

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    When Russia invaded Ukraine, I figured that it would overrun the country in ten days. Shows what I knew. Now it appears if they may be in for a very long war, with daily gains and losses measured by yards on each side. Russians need to give Mr. Putin the same disease that proved to be fatal for Nicholas, then I suspect some normality would return to the region. I would love to see Putin attend the same flying school that so many of his enemies have graduated from.

    The Russians aren't bad people but they have one heck of a time governing themselves; seems they just trade tyrant for tyrant, and have for a looooong time. .
     
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  2. Biak

    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    People in general are the same the world over. Its the dumb ones who keep voting for 'Their' party or being enthralled by rhetoric of lunatics.
    We're not so different than the rest of the World.
    Sadly.
     
  3. Biak

    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    I'm going to put this here and return in six months.

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  4. CAC

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    The Sarmatians were never conquered by the Romans, right?
     
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    USMCPrice Idiot at Large

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    Breaking news. Looks like the Russian Ministry of Defense launched a missile strike against Prigozhin's Wagner troops, killing large numbers, inside of Russia.

    Prigozhin went on air and advised people to stay inside and not confront Wagner forces, then proceeded to send forces to Moscow to overthrow the parts of the Russian Government that have been responsible for "tens of thousands of deaths of Russian soldiers". So a coup attempt is underway.

    Reports of gun battles in the Moscow metro transit system.

    Reports from Ukraine that Wagner forces around Bahkmut have turned on regular Russian forces and fighting is ongoing. Also, reported that many regular Russian units are joining Wagner.

    Could be an interesting several days.
     
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    Very interesting indeed. Modern Russia isn't nearly the same as when Stalin ruled the roost. It seems the Russian populace, or at least a good fraction of them, aren't going to go along with a protracted war based on lies. Putin should be worried.
     
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    If Prigozhin reaches Moscow, he should avoid open windows. :rolleyes:
     
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    Yes, he should! However, if Putin is overthrown, would that be a good or bad thing for Ukraine?
     
  10. Maddog71

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    Putin's plane took off heading N.W. Who knows if he or one of his body doubles were on it. Putin will try to avoid catching a bad case of Nicholitis. Are we watching the start of a new Russian Civil War? Only the shadow knows, but Russia may not be big enough for both Putin and Prigozhin. We may be witnesses to history in the making.
     
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    So the latest seems to be that Putin will not have Prigozhin prosecuted for the coup attempt, instead he is said to be moving to Belarus. Who wants to bet how long it takes for Prigozhin to either take flying lessons, or die of a mysterious disease?
     
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    Who knows, Russians are notorious for Machiavellian plots and schemes. Most likely, people within the government, or a coalition of oligarchs, or a combination of both were supposed to make moves to secure the governing apparatus in Russia, in conjunction with Prigozhin's military moves. Prigozhin did his part, but the other parts didn't materialize.
    Prigozhin quickly seized his objectives. First Rostov-on-Don, where the Russian military headquarters, for the War in Ukraine, is located and a major logistical hub. Then they seized military sites in Voronezh, 351 miles up the M4 highway towards Moscow. There was some light fighting there and Wagner troops downed a couple Russia military helicopters. They had started moving the remaining 277 miles towards Moscow. However, Moscow with a population of over 13 million would be hard for the Wagner forces to control unless sectors of the government or population rose up to support them. This didn't happen. Putin agreed to drop all charges against Prigozhin and Wagner fighters if they turned around. They did, Prigozhin going to Belarus, I'm sure with a protective force of some of the best troops from Wagner. The bulk of the troops, apparently around 25,000 will be pardoned if they return to their camps. They are an Prigozhin has said he will dismantle Wagner.
     
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    Russian "insurrection" may be over?
     
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    Australia pledges $100m in new military support for Ukraine, including vehicles and ammunition | Australian politics | The Guardian
    Cheap at twice the price when it means defeating Russia...
    Ukraine wanted our Hawkei Armoured personnel carriers or a "light four-wheel-drive protected mobility vehicle."
    But they currently have issues especially with the brakes (shes a heavy motha)
    Hawkei
    [​IMG]

    Instead we are sending something tried and tested (Very tested), its more protective and has tracks, better suited to the conditions...The M113! Another American beauty...Australia has used the M113 since '64 - Its so good its difficult to replace.
    [​IMG]
     

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    Looks like the Russian Coup is definitely over. At least he didn't trip out a window.

    Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin was on the passenger list of a plane which crashed in Russia, killing all 10 on board.

    He was believed to be on board the plane.

    Earlier, a Wagner-linked Telegram channel Grey Zone reported that the jet was shot down by air defences in Tver region, north of Moscow.

    Prigozhin led a failed mutiny against the Russian armed forces in June.

    Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin 'on board' crashed Russian plane
     
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