Carl's militaria collection part 2

I hadn't seen this thread. Thanks Bull!

Beautiful collection
Carl!

 

I somehow missed them first time around as well...temporary blindness...??

Great ones, Carl! ( I hate to use the term stuff with such fine examples!!)

 

Thanks guys--my stuff and I love the compliments

Ooops Kai--sorry about that--i'll not refer to these works of art as "stuff" anymore.

On the Waffen SS Shoulderboards and Collar Tabs (guns too ) All the cloth items are 100% mint. All four sets of shoulderboards and the two Waffen SS Collar Tabs--are all un-used and mint.

I laugh at dealers who sell or try to sell well-worn insignia for more than I paid for these.

I paid about $1,500 for all the cloth items and they are in some cases--at least triple and quadruple the prices I paid. I've seen recently, a site trying to sell a well-worn set of SS Hauptsturmfuhrer Panzer Shoulderboards for almost 1 grand. Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy toooooooooooooooooooooooo highhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

[ 28. July 2003, 04:27 PM: Message edited by: C.Evans ]

 

Carl, how is this for the latest reply in history? Cheers for the explanation of Burlap, I know the stuff now (actually I discovered some when I took the collar patches off my tunic to put new insignia on them, made Untersharfuhrer recently), sort of sacking but slightly harder.

Thanks again, lets keep this thread near the top for a while (maybe sticky it?)

 

Hi Stefan, many thanks for your reply.

It's OK by me if you guys want this thread as a sticky. One thing I have to point out on materials used in collar tabs is that you can have many different kinds of materials used.

For example, I have seen tabs used that had cardboard as backings (inside cloth) the above talked about Burlap, I have seen a plastic-like material used--possibly Bakalite? and I have seen some that had no backing at all used.

The vast majority of my tabs have the burlap or a paperery/cardboard backing--in cloth and not easily seen.

Hope this helps?

Congrats on the promotion.

To make this sticky--I guess you will have to ask Otto about that since I no longer have Mod powers to do so.

Carl.

 

PS, these are poor color scans and colors are brighter than they actually are.

 

Carl:

I'm very late in this thread but I must say: very nice collection!

Just a question. Do you know who did the GL epoulettes belong to? I might have some info on the lt. general...

 

No problem and thanks. I have no clue as to who the shoulderboards could have belonged to--I doubt anyone because they are unissued but, that does not mean that some Generalleutnant did not have them in his belongings and never got around to using them.

The collar tabs, I can find out who those had belonged to. My friend was the one who bought two crates full of a Generals belongings some several years ago. I'll have to ask him what the Generals name is.

Besten-Carl.

 

Resurrecting old threads:

The difference between Army Officer and Waffen-SS Officer shoulder boards was the backing. Army officer shoulder boards had the silver-gray tops mounted on an underlay with varying colors, called waffenfarben or branch. Pink was for panzer or panzerjager (armor or anti-tank), red for artillery, etc. The Waffen-SS officer shoulder boards were essentially the same, however, under the silver-gray tops the base was black with the waffenfarben in between, although it wasn't a layer.

Here are some examples of Waffen-SS officer shoulder boards.

These are a pair of slip on shoulder boards for an SS-Untersturmfuhrer (2nd Lieutenant) on the Personal Staff of Reichsfuhrer-SS Himmler with dark-gray wafffenfarben.


Pair of sew in SS-Hauptsturmfuhrer (Captain) of Legal with bordeaux waffenfarben


Pair of slip on SS-Hauptsturmfuhrer (Captain) of Panzerjager (anti-tank). The waffenfarben is pink and the metal "P" cipher represents Panzerjager:


Enlisted straps had black tops as apposed to dark-green tops. The tongue, that part which held the straps on the shoulders, were also black. Here is an example of SS enlisted straps for smoke troops or Nebelwerfer (rocket)with bordeaux waffenfarben showing both sides:



And finally a pair of SS-Scharfuhrer of Veterinarian sew in straps with the caduseus cipher:



I hope this helps a bit in explaining the differences between Army and Waffen-SS shoulder boards and straps.

Bob

 

Nice Waffen SS boards, I have a few sets myself.