Sharon and Bush

It seems that the president thinks he has figured out the answer to Middle East Peace. This newest "agreement" weighs heavily in favor of Israeli goals. My opinion is that the American public will buy into this lock, stock and barrel and then wonder why terrorism will keep on escalating. The president seems to actually think he is solving a problem when he will be making things worse. We Americans wonder why the world is slanting against us. They didn't even include the Palestinians on this or even ask for their opinion.

I, as an American who wants to love his country, am very saddened by all of this.

Your thoughts?
Later

 

don't think this is a done and set deal yet as the media perscribes. am sure there are some things going on we do not even know about, in fact I do know there are.......the Palestinians will be consulted.

this is old news anyway as then US has had dealings with Israel since the 1970's and the Mid-east nations have known this

 

Don't think it matters about "Americans buying into it lock,stock.." as the Pres. is going to do what he wants.Until November,anyway.

 

The last time Bush ignored the rest of the world was when the 'coalition of the willing' went into Iraq, now he needs the UN to take a wider role there.

Same mistake twice perhaps?

 

What's the "new Agreement?" Why include the Palestinian's anyway? They have absolutely NO legitimate claims to anything they have demanded of israel in the past. That's my opinion... and, President Bush has my vote 110%. One of the main reason's we'll continue to have terrorism aimed at US is due to all the dissentiopn in this country... liberal's want to legitimize terrorists like Arafat and would propably do the same with bin-Laden... they seem to think that all this would be curred by inviting them over here for a group hug!!!

 

The root of all the 'Arab' terrorism in the World today is the treatment of the Palestinians by the Jewish State. Anyone who thinks it will end untill this issue is resolved is burying their head in the sand.

 

Michael no one can argue with that ! but it will never stop........so............

 

And even if it does, they'll find another excuse easy enough........

REgards,
Gordon

 

Is this for real? Everyone there hates Israel that bad? You could be right but I thought the Arabs just hated us.

 

Do they need a reason?!

Regards,

Gordon

 

If they need one or not ignoring the underlying issue that created the problem only prolongs the turmoil. If the West (USA) applies serious pressure on Israel and stops bankrolling the expansionist policies it pursues then maybe there will be peace in the area.

 

hmmm,

Wonder what either side would do without their respective apologists?

 

I must state that I totally and fully agree with mkenny on this. We in the States (and consequently in Europe) have been pounded and pounded with pro-Israeli and anti-Palestinian propaganda since 1947. That is longer that most of our lives for goodness sakes. Why can't the Palestinians have their own state without having to be under the thumb of the Israelis??????

This, coincidentally, is how I feel about an Israeli state. Exactly the same. They should exist without being under the thumb of any other sovereign nation also.

Sometimes, and I know this is hard to fathom, I think that our policy is a result of our latent (on our part) racist views. We favor the Israelis because they are more closely tied to our European background and Judeo-Christian heritage.

How can we say that one group deserves a Nation of their own and the other one does not. It is hypocritical.

Later

 

Fair comment....so why is no-one taking it to it's logical conclusion, and demanding Communist China withdraws from it's occupation of Tibet?
Or isn't that cause trendy enough?
I've never been bombarded with Pro-Israeli or Anti-Palestinian propaganda in my life mate-either you watch the wrong tv channels, or you're actually looking to take offence at something.

Regards,

Gordon

[ 16. April 2004, 05:30 PM: Message edited by: The_Historian ]

 

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"either you watch the wrong tv channels"

So what are the 'right' ones to watch?

 

A related link that you might find interesting.

http://www.yellowtimes.org/article.php?sid=1888

 

What a completely impartial and objective link.......

 

Historian,

During my formative years, we had only ABC, NBC and CBS to choose from. It was all the same. The papers were all the same. The Pittsburgh Press, Post-Gazette, NY Times, you name them.

How can we demand anything of the Chinese when we can't resolve problems in the Middle East?

The Tibetans deserve sovereignty as well as anyone else. But I fear we need to be careful with this issue because of the difficult situation on the other side of China.

Later

 

JP,
The point I was making was that some people are very selective in which "illegal" occupations they protest about.
How can we demand anything from the Chinese when we can't sort out the Middle East? Quite easy-it's called being impartial.
I wonder how many of the anti-Vietnam protesters of the '60s demonstrated outside the Chinese embassy over Tibet? Or the Soviet occupation of Czechoslovakia.
Fast forward three decades, and more British people demonstrated against Britain going to war with Saddam in 1991, than the fact he was illegally occupying Kuwait.
I also grew up in the period when Britain only had three tv channels too-and they were a damned sight more impartial than they are now.


Regards,

Gordon

[ 17. April 2004, 11:58 AM: Message edited by: The_Historian ]

 

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"and more British people demonstrated against Britain going to war with Saddam in 1991, than the fact he was illegally occupying Kuwait"

Well that would be because British people want to influence their own Government policy wouldn't it? Is it your case that unless you protest EVERY illegal act then morally you should not protest against ANY?
People decide their own actions and if (in your view) Left-Wingers are more active then organise your own 'Support Bush In Iraq' protest. Then you will see the support (if any) for that way of thinking.

Perhaps you can tell us which protests you attended over the years.