Iraq and afghanistan

it was reported here that after the attacks at the weekend their have now been more US service men and women killed in the war on terror than their were people killed in the 9/11 attacks. I hope the new year brings a way for troops to be brought out of the warzones with an honorable peace but heck somehow i doubt it.

 

There will be civil war like it or not. I hope the US can take their troops slowly away and not like " We´ve run out of money all the troops out immediately!"

 

The war in afganistan is not going well......

The war in Iraq is looking more and more like a catastrophe....... This enormous military and political blunder commited by none other then our very own commander in chief, will hunt the U.S. for many many years to come. International relations wise I would say that Iraq has set the U.S. back at least 50 years....

Bush administration has absolutely lost all credibility with Europe and at the same time managed to create even more enemies.

I remember watching an interview with Dick Cheney right before the war started... and remember him saying that he strongly believed that the U.S. forces would be greeted the same way by the Iraqis as they were by the French in WW2......." How can anyone be soooo naive? " I thought. Now, nothing surprises me.

 

Well they did. But then they want to throw us out just like the French did in the 50's. The only way for democracy to florish there is for the Iraqi people to fight for it just like all of the other democratic countries have. Only then will they defend it because blood was spilled for that freedom. It cannot be forced upon them and them appreciate it. Just won't work.

 

well it has been tribal wars in the past, now and in the future for holding power, Persia wants Babylon as it did during ancient times, Assyria sits but watches patiently hoping we blow Tehran off the face of the map so they can move in with a little incursion through Lebanon into Israel. Afgh. is just a side show. Bush is just a cog in the mighty wheel, blame him as much as you want it will not help matters .........

this whole stinky affair and one that had loomed ever since we set foot in to help Israel back in the 1970's was time in coming gents.

we may never get out of the mideast, even if Hillary is elected pres in 2008. if we do by chance return home in force then the mideast dicks have won and we can be assured we will see attacks on our homeland increase besides in Europe and elsewhere in the world

 

Yes PzJgr, they did. Hoever the shiites that were on the streets were not happy that the U.S. was there but that Saddam was out.....


I agree PzJgr in order to have democracy you must want it..... doesnt look like Iraqi's do.

Also the fact that Church and Stated are not separated in the Middle East plays a crucial role.

 

Tell that to the families of the 12,000 Iraqi policemen who gave their lives so that their country may be free.

 

My mistake.........I should have said MOST do not want it or frankly just arent ready for democracy.


In fact, there are a lot of reports about Iraqi police officers switching sides and joining the insurgency because of higher salary.....

So much for their loyalty and love of democracy.

My prediction is that when the U.S. leaves, some extreme fundamentalist will take Sadams place and will become a true threat to the United States, as it will become a breading ground for terrorists.

 

Tell that to the families of the 12,000 Iraqi policemen who gave their lives so that their country may be free. [/QUOTE]

Unfortunately they are a minority. I do not see Iraqi people in the streets protesting in public for all to see against the violence caused by the terrorists. They need to stand up as a group and not leave it to just a few.

 

Tell that to the families of the 12,000 Iraqi policemen who gave their lives so that their country may be free. </font>[/QUOTE]Unfortunately they are a minority. I do not see Iraqi people in the streets protesting in public for all to see against the violence caused by the terrorists. They need to stand up as a group and not leave it to just a few. [/QUOTE]

Thank You!! They were flocking the streets when Sadam was chased out,burning his pictures,beating his statues with their shoes/etc.
Where are they now?

 

6 feet under maybe ?

 

When's the last time you turned on CNN and you saw good Iraqis doing good things? They don't show it because of the lack of good Iraqis but for the lack of ratings. A lot of Iraqis want us over there. But they only show the ones that don't want us over there which leads most people to believe that the majority of them hate us. As they say in the news biz... If it bleeds, it leads.

 

That or just too scared. Freedom comes at a price and the future generations are the ones who would benefit the most. Look at us, we enjoy freedoms that our ancestors fought for. They just need to understand that much more can be achieved if they stand up as a group and not give in to the terrorists. fear is what feeds the terrorists.

 

Last time I checked, only 1/3 of Americans supported the revolution at the time.

 

I don't think our original 13 colonies stood much of a chance breaking away from England by sitting indoors and letting the Minute-men do the work for them.

 

Lets also not confuse terrorism with insurgency....As we know there are terrorists in Iraq, the majority fighting the Americans are not!!

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16389128/

I'll watch CNN tomorrow to see if Saddam "actually" gets the rope.Should be some good ratings?

 

ISF have lead responsibility for counter-insurgency operation for 70% of Iraq. They have complete control over two provinces, Dhi Qar and Muthanna, and three other provinces, Dahuk, Arbil, and Sulaymaniyah, are ready for the transition to be under complete Iraqi control. The remaining provinces are partially ready for transition with the exception of Anbar and Basrah and should be under the complete control of Iraqi Security Forces by the end of 2007.

 

I guess we wil have to wait and see

 

Yes, good news don't sell so we are shown only the catastrophic side of it.