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Nishimura Surigao strait

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  1. nimitz

    nimitz Member

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    Nishimura order of battle :

    4 destroyers Michishio, Asagumo, Shigure and Amagumo then the 2 batttleships Yamashiro (Nishimura's flag) and Fuso followed by the CV-cruiser Mogami

    Yamashiro will sink at 4:19
    Fuso will explose at 3:39
    Michishio, Asagumo and Amagumo will sink too
    Mogami will be scutlled next morning

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  2. T. A. Gardner

    T. A. Gardner Genuine Chief

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  3. nimitz

    nimitz Member

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    Here is teh googla translation of my article :

    The strait of Surigao

    After having wiped without too many damage the air raids of the day, Nishimura, contrary to the initial plan, decides to force the pace and not to await the reinforcement of Shima which follows to 40 miles. It thus decreases its chances to cross the strait or at least to resist the American forces.

    The group of bombardment of the 7th fleet, under the orders of the Oldendorf vice-admiral assembled a true trap, using the number to block the strait:

    Initially, 49 motor torpedo boats will announce the arrival of the enemy ships before attacking them. Then the flotillas come from destroyers which, on both sides of the strait will attack with the torpedo at 10 minutes of interval.

    The final phase of the plan sees the opening of the fire of the battleships and the cruisers placed in two parallel lines prohibiting any passage. The concentrated fire of their artillery is able largely to come to end from preceding attacks. By roof of irony, 5 of the 6 battleships of Oldendorf are the survivors of Pearl Harbor: first to undergo the Japanese attacks, they are again present to complete the japanese navy.

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    Nishimura penetrates in the strait with 2h50 on October 25, suspecting to in no case from what awaits it. The motor torpedo boats pass at once to the attack but are taken under the fire of the Japanese ships which saw them. Although not having marked any blow with the goal, they strongly disorganized the formation nippone. Benefitting from the disorder which reigns within the squadron, the American destroyers launch a first attack to 3h and sink 2 destroyers and reach the Fuso battleship seriously. The Yamashiro battleship for its part is more slightly damaged. One second attack will be right of Fuso which explodes and runs in a few minutes. Nishimura carries out little time after Fuso does not follow any more and, believing it engaged in the fray, reduced its speed with 5 n?uds to await it. A new torpedo reaches Yamashiro, depriving it of the use of 4 of its 6 turrets.

    Although slipping by only to 5 knots, Nishimura approaches the line of American cruisers which open the shooting with 3h51, followed little by the battleships. In 10 minutes, each American ship will draw into 60 and 100 salvos, taking Yamashiro under a flood of fire. Realizing that it does not have the least chance, the Japanese admiral inflects his race towards the south and increases his speed with 15 n?uds. This manoeuvre offers its side to the American torpedes and the ship sinks with 4h19. The heavy cruiser Mogami which had started a half-turn, is found on the road of the squadron of Shima and enters in collision with Nachi. The fate seems to be baited on Mogami, already victim of a collision at the time of the battle of Midway. This time, the undergone damage will be fatal for him: attacked by the United States Air Force as of the first gleams of the day, incompetent to conceal itself, the ship will be finally run by a destroyer.

    This battle will remain in the history like last engagement with the gun and sees a crushing victory of the American navy.
     
  4. JagdtigerI

    JagdtigerI Ace

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    Are you sure about that order of battle, I have something different.
     
  5. mikebatzel

    mikebatzel Dreadnaught

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    Amagumo should be Yamagumo.
    Mogami was a CA not a CV

    The distance between the two forces was 40 km not miles. the equates to about 25 miles.
    There where 39 not 49 torpedo boats
    Now that i'm done nit-picking you mention Mogami as a him. I've always heard ships called a she not he. Is that a cultural thing?
     
  6. nimitz

    nimitz Member

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    Sorry but i've written a CV-cruiser.
    In fact, Mogami was first considered as a light cruiser (155mm guns) then after modernization (203mm) a real CA, then converted as CV-CA (as Ise and Hyuga were converted as CV-BB)
    Here is the Mogami as it appeared during the battle
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    Oups, you're right!
    Thanks a lot for these corrections. Nobody's perfect ... so i've made mistakes :eek:

    What do you mean??? I've not understood, my english being too poor... :(
     
  7. mikebatzel

    mikebatzel Dreadnaught

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    Well, here in the US we refer to a navy vessel as a she. Even when the name is masculine, like the USS Ronald Reagan. I would refer to the ship as ‘she is a nuclear powered carrier'. You mention the Mogami as a he. I was wondering if in your country all ships are referenced as a he. It is more a cultural question than a military question.
     
  8. nimitz

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    Yes of course!!
    I've completle forgotten that in english all ships are "female" :p

    Lady Lex if i remember well by example.

    In french, we use "le" wich equal "he" : le Strasbourg

    Am i rght with my profile of Mogami? (self made)
     
  9. CTBurke

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    On my computer the graphic of the Mogami does not appear. :(

    re: Mogami as a "CV-cruiser"---mere semantics. The Mogami, after taking a bruising at Midway, was rebuilt using a floatplane platform and hangars in the rear third of the ship in place of the rear set of two turrets (much like the Ise/Hyuga battleship conversions). She was NOT the "CA" with five twin-8" gun turrets that she sported early in the war, but now had only three. But...even the HMS Exeter had only six (3 x 2 8") main guns and she was considered a "heavy cruiser". Thus Mogami might truly be called an "aviation cruiser", and...what *DO* you call it?? :)
     

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