Iraq

Dully elected you say? Jeff, the current Iraqi govt. was appointed by the US, not the people of Iraq, they voted for Maliki because the US said so

If the people didnt vote for Maliki, then they wouldnt vote at all as there was no other choice. This is the democracy in Iraq, one leader to choose from? hmmm

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, you have just entered the Iraq thread!!!

 

It's nice to see people having such a serious and interesting discussion and yet keep their sense of humor.

 

What can you expect when Iraq is an artificial creation, held together by European colonial powers, then local dictator, supported by this or that superpower ?
Many Irakis don't want to belong to the same country in the first place, and would rather have a country of their own - even worse, some would like to keep the same country with their community at the top and other communities deprived of power.

The present situation was easy to foresee.

Now, when are we going to take care of China, which is an oppressive and dictatorial regime ?

Or maybe we don't care anymore about Tien Anmen since China is no longer an orthodox communist country in the economical sense ?

And when are we going to punish Musharraf for seizing power in a democratic Pakistan with his 1999 military coup ?

I wonder why half of the world giggles/cry when we sing our "fight for democracy" song

 

This reminds me of a joke I heard.......

Secretart if state: Mr President we have word that oil has been discovered in the carribean!!

Bush: Very good! How is their democracy over there?

 

Originally Posted by FramerT
Wasn't a Dumocrat our President during the first Trade Center bombing?
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Yes, indeed and the most inept admin, Mr Clinton's, since Jimmy Carter.
He cut defense claiming he was cutting big government, dishonored the Presidency, was impeached, and pardoned an arms dealer responsible for the happenings in places like Darfur.

Worried more about shooting wives and sons in the woods and burning children in buses than terrorism.

Let's discuss Darfur, a place where Islamic people are murdering Christians, interesting that the left wants us there to help those folks but not to help the Iraqis, and aren't there troops still in Bosnia? No one ranting for them to come home.




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Wall Street has taken some of the worse loses.

That's the nature of the market, also some of the highest gains, your point was?

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The housing market is in the crapper.

It wasn't during the whole of his admin, this is a correction for over inflated housing prices. I know, I payed too much for mine and the municiple bastards are taxing based on sales not comparative or actual value. Once again the market goes up and down. Thankfully we may get a break but I doubt it.

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Jobs are being out-sourced to other countries.

Unions are at fault, workers want pensions and everything else not available to the private sector and then don't produce a price competitive product. Although I think NAFTA was a bad idea. Still, If you own a factory you're in business to make money. Do you work for free?

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The only people having money in their pockets are those who are benefiting from our spending in Iraq..........ie. the defence dept.

You need to do some remedial research and you'll understand you have echoed every hollow rant of the Dumocrat Party. Please don't just vote for them because Daddy did. Do some unbiased learning on your own. The Republicans aren't perfect but they are light years better than any democrat could try to be. Mark my words, If the Dumocrats get elected this country will go into a recession and then what would be the sense of... " I told you so" Please don't vote for people who want to take your money, and it is your money, you've earned it, don't let any pathetic fool make you think otherwise. The Republicans know you want to keep your hard earned dollars and want you to save and spend as you see fit. They want you to earn more from your investments and encourage small businesses to thrive.


Dearest Framer T, if you are in fact a framer, then you have been brainwashed by union fools, if you are non union cheers! I do support the old concept of a Guild but that's a pipe dream. But my friend, if you are in the construction industry and in VA than you've missed quite a ride in Las Vegas and beaucoup bucks lost on a huge boom during the Bush admin. What move, yeah, if you want to make the big bucks that's what you have to do. Seems to me alot of cash was thrown at contractors in New Orleans as well. So if your in that business, like many of my friends are, then you also know that criminaliens are pushing out many of the traditional demographic as well as decreasing the quality of that industry. So why vote for the amnesty crowd, the Dumocrat Party. Yes, Mr Bush is guilty as charged, an amnesty confederate. But many Republicans disagree with him. And he won't be back.

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While I don't like Ms Clinton nor this plan, I don't see the Republicans coming up anything. Maybe having health insurance isn't as important as Iraq.

The Republican plan is to have multiple competitors in the Health care market forcing competition, there by lowering prices and creating better quality care, returning taxpayer dollars to the taxpayer to help pay for healthcare, and deport ciminaliens and their broods to keep a lid on health care cost overruns by invaders that suck off the heathcare system and overwealm hospitals.

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Who's profiting from the Iraq war? - MSN Money

These people would'nt be so profitable if Bush's blank-check writing did'nt exist.



Profit is good, it creates investment, jobs and a strong economy. New Orleans was an example of the Dumocrat model of economics and we saw what an economic powerhouse that democrat administration was and how effective it functioned in a crisis,

Mr Chocolate( Ray Nagin) you are no Rudy Giuliani

 

from Doonesbury


Q What about Power from Oil ?
A We control the Oil companies.

Q What about Electric Power ?
A We control the Power companies.

Q What about Solar Power. ?
A Solar Power isn't "feasible".

 

Once again, lets try to stay on topic!!!!

If you want to have a discussion about Democrats and Republicans start a new thread.

 

I disagree. These countries both warned of the consequences as a result of such a war, why should they now go in and try to clean up this mess?

Plus they were not the only ones which disagreed...

YouTube - Cheney in 1994 on Iraq


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Putin was the first foreign leader to phone Bush on Sept. 11th as a sign of solidarity. The war in Afganistan was also supported by both nations ( China and Russia ) Iraq was another story.

U.S. casualties sept. 20th 2007, 3792 dead.

 

The estimate figure of insurgeants is almost impossible to verify. They will be totally different depending on the side you ask figure. Iraqis will include non belligerant civilians (colateral dammages) and make a distinction between their own and foreign combattants. Not to mention the M.I.A. What is the definition of an insurgeant anyway? Does it mean you have to assault coallistion troops, or does it start when you "forget" to pull over with your car ? This is probably why estimates go from 20.000 to 50.000

 

No, they steal your dollars to pay themselves a gig in Bagdad lol.

Let's cut on welfare, education, health care so we can wage war which is the true meaning of a nation !
Let business go, it will self regulate and competition will pull down the prices, see Microsoft for example

 

My point is if Russia stood against Iran, they would not be stirring the region, trying to build a bomb or talking about wiping Israel out of the map.
I think Putin is enjoying that U.S. is suffering the middle east. That is exactly what I would do if I were the in his shoes.flag_USSR: Russia knows that nobody (terrorists) will ever try to mess with them.If you hit Russia, she will hit you back harder not caring about public opinion, political correctness or economical progress.

 

Please. please, please, tell me we are not going to talk about Iran!

YouTube - Iranian Policewomen

 

Yes you are correct.... But what has Iran done to Russia? With all that said, Russia would not pick Iran over Europe. Also Iran is not the only country in the Middle East that hates Israel, in fact every country in the Middle East hates Israel. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Egypt participated in the 6 day war against Israel and the US just signed a $20 billion weapons contract with Israels enemy and the same country which bombed the twin towers.

I couldnt have said it better myself!

 

At this point it is not Israel that is going to get wiped out from te map , but Irak wiped out from the thread.

 

Sept. 21st

U.S. 3794 dead

 

Hi E, completely agree with ya. ;-))

And speaking of illegals breaking a Texans property: Gov rick "the redneck-and good-'ol-boy" perry, signed into law (which became effective as of I think Sept 1st) he gave the agerage citizen the right to use deadly force on those who break into a persons car, or house or who is destroying said home-owners property. If said homeowner decides to shoot the sum b***h er I mean, intruder, said homeowner can empty out a weapons magazine on said intruder-without having to worry about being arrested and prosecuted. Of course, this does not mean that a person should kill a person who comes into his yars without permission in order to get a drink of water. However, as far as I know, if a person who has land that buts up against the border, wnd who gets many illegals coming onto his land and said illegals break his fence down or destroy other property, the land owner (according to the new law) will be protected for his actions.

I like that law :-D