What if no nazism (but war anyway) in German?

Consider this: no nazism, no Hitler, no Himmler, no Jews/Gipsy/Black ppl harassment, no SS assassins, etc etc

But, yet, a military dicatorship ruling since 1934, just after Paul von Hindenburg's death.

So their reason for war would be, say, recovering the territories lost in the Treaty of Versailles.

So we are in August, 31st, 1939 and Germarny is ready to invade Poland with the excuse of retaking access to East Prussia. Consider that there was no Anchluss (with Austria/1938) and no Sudenteland overtaking.

What would have happened? (hint: the point here is that there would be no Hitler to disturb the German Armed Forces

 

This is a good post. I am seeing the French and British getting more aggressive with Germany because with Hitler, the propaganda machine was in overtime and made the world think, successfully, that Germany was armed to the teeth and had no qualms about using her forces. Without Hitler, I would see a very conservative and traditional Wehrmacht. yes, they did defy the versailles 100,000 man army limitation but the country was divided and battling itself between the anarchists, christians, communists etc. So the Allies could have successfully attacked Germany and the German Generals knew it. Even with Hitler, that was their main concern. It was Hitler that pushed it beyond the limitations of logical thinking. There would not have been a world war. My opinion.

 

Would there still be a pact with Stalin?

 

Yes, there would be the Fritz-Molotov pact (name a better foreign minister to replace Ribbentrop )

 

Von Neurath.

If no nazism, where would the aggression come from. No nazis = no war. Finito. Kein nazis, kein Krieg!

 

If no Nazis, then perhaps the Bolsheviks might take power in Germany?

 

More likely the Social Democrats or the Christian Democrats. Read your Thomans Mann.

 

I concur

 

There would have been an inevitable clash to root out the communists from Germany. If not by Hitler than someone else in the military. Someone else in the Freikorps as Hitler could have remained in jail. The war may have been more limited than with Hitler.

 

Those kind of things are called either police actions, it wouldn't even reach the stage of a civil war.

 

I am finding this one a bit tricky and yet interesting so I will have to go with my gut instinct no Hitler no war.

 

If in the original thread question and without Hitler and the Nazis, Germany unites somehow, even under Communism, they would eventually want revenge over the Treaty of Versailles, and Poland would be it's logical victim, considering Poland until 1919 had neve been an independent nation (If incorrect please correct me), Germans would have insisted on a total re-unification and re-establishment of it's border.

Germans at that point of time are a Martial Nation, It's Millitary is it's strength and prestige, it would eventually defied the Treaty of Versailles and build up it's military and eventually invaded Poland, with full consent and cooperation with the Soviet Union, Poland in any regards was at that point in time was a doomed nation.

And with the western nations, with a military alliance between Communist Germany and The Soviet Union, Western Europe would have not come to Polands defense.

 

Germany wouldn't unite under communism, Marx even though German, wasn't able to get the revolution to start in Germany where he believed it would start. All the conditions were there and with support, some German Navy personnel and some union workers, they were crushed by the oppostion as they say, easily in Henley. Whether NSDAP or Militarists they would be defeated. What is interesting is that the scapegoating of the Jewish people was alive and well in Poland at the same time as the rise of NSDAP. Would have thought Hitler would have convened a Pact with Poland against The Soviet Union and instigated unrest amongst the Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Courlands, Latvians to throw the Soviet Union in chaos.

Yes but of course they would have to get past the Danzig thing and settle the Prussian issue. It remains to be pondered how many Anschluss's similar to Austria could have been affected, targeting Sudetenland, Prussia, and Alsace Lorraine. All this fifth column action while the Wehrmacht rebuilt.

 

If Hitler wasn't there to "disturb" the German Armed Force, then who would be there to modernize the German Armed Force? Hitler should be given the credit for the early German victories. If instead of Hitler, some average militarist was in command, then Germany would have been broken once more. Hitler adopted new tactics (despite criticisms), reinvented warfare, and therefore won the early victories.
So the answer to your question is: if Hitler wasn't in command, Germany most likely would have started a small scale war, ended up losing more territory, and possibly be divided into many states.

 

Ignore this one.

 

Hinderburg would probably have stayed in power for another three years. Th equestion is what would have happened after 1936.... But let me take it a little further: no jewish persecution, no Einstein to the U.S. no atomic bomb !!! It would have totaly face the face of the world. In fact without a war in Europe I doubt Pearl Harbour would even have happened.

 

And yet strangely they were at that point the largest political party in Germany, would the Friekorps be so bold to attack Communist meetings and groups without the Nazi's and all the ecco-polit-military backing that they gained, plus no establishment of the SturmAbteilun or ShutzSaffel, no enabling act etc, etc..... There are two things to remember about the NSDAP, Without Hitler the Nazis were nothing, without the Nazis Hitler was Nothing, no other leader in the NSDAP could have by force of will would have gotten the Nazis as far as they did. Plus to finish off there was no other party big enough to take on the German Communist Party, fully backed by Stalin and the Soviet Union and his Communist Regime.

 

Well we are hypotheical in this example and I was thinking along the lines of the Hitler/Röhm conflict that some other organization not called NSDAP but with similar goals and ideology could have filled that spot on the political field. Whether it be lead by someone from the Freikorps or in the Military, if against communists then perhaps an owner from Industry.

 

The flip side is, that without communist Russia, Germany would have not been able to obtain crucial military arms and supplies, after WW1.