Do y'all think we can settle this donnybrook down? Civility. Most are maintaining it, lets make it across the board. No fingers are being pointed....yet. But if GroFaz or his little blue aquatic bird shows up, there may be a lot of finger pointing and a blue helmet could make its appearance, not to mention cooler time if this thread keeps going the way it is headed.
LOL! speak of education, you really believe China is 100% communist right now? they have practically embraced free enterprise, if anything they are more fascist than communist. Now North Korea/Cuba, different story, and look at them, Cubans still drive around in 1950's cars and North Koreans are starving and have no power. SS-Hauptsturmfuhrer you grow up and wake up to reality my friend. SOME EARLY EXAMPLES OF JEWISH-ZIONIST TERROR. August 20, 1937 - June 29, 1939. During this period, the Zionists carried out a series of attacks against Arab buses, resulting in the death of 24 persons and wounding 25 others. November 25, 1940. S.S.Patria was blown up by Jewish terrorists in Haifa harbour, killing 268 illegal Jewish immigrants (see below). November 6, 1944. Zionist terrorists of the Stern Gang assassinated the British Minister Resident in the Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo. July 22, 1946. Zionist terrorists blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which housed the central offices of the civilian administration of the government of Palestine, killing or injuring more than 200 persons. The Irgun officially claimed responsibility for the incident, but subsequent evidence indicated that both the Haganah and the Jewish Agency were involved. October 1, 1946. The British Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by bomb explosions, for which Irgun claimed responsibility. June 1947. Letters sent to British Cabinet Ministers were found to contain bombs. September 3, 1947. A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs. (The Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8) December 11, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa. December 13,1947. Zionist terrorists, believed to be members of Irgun Zvai Leumi, killed 18 Arabs and wounded nearly 60 in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Lydda areas. In Jerusalem, bombs were thrown in an Arab market-place near the Damascus Gate; in Jaffa, bombs were thrown into an Arab cafe; in the Arab village of Al Abbasya, near Lydda, 12 Arabs were killed in an attack with mortars and automatic weapons. December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses, in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack. December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi. December 30,1947. A mixed force of the Zionist Palmach and the "Carmel Brigade" attacked the village of Balad al Sheikh, killing more than 60 Arabs. 1947 -- 1948. Over 700,000 Palestinian Arabs were uprooted from their homes and land, and forced to live in refugee camps on Israel's borders. They have been denied the right to return to their homes. They have been refused compensation for their homes, orchards, farms and other property stolen from them by the Israeli government. After their expulsion, the "Israeli Forces" totally obliterated (usually by bulldozing) 385 Arab villages and towns, out of a total of 475. Commonly, Israeli villages were built on the remaining rubble. January 1, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked a village on the slopes of Mount Carmel; 17 Arabs were killed and 33 wounded. January 4, 1948. Haganah terrorists wearing British Army uniforms penetrated into the center of Jaffa and blew up the Serai (the old Turkish Government House) which was used as a headquarters of the Arab National Committee, killing more than 40 persons and wounding 98 others. January 5, 1948. The Arab-owned Semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blown up, killing 20 persons, among them Viscount de Tapia, the Spanish Consul. Haganah admitted responsibility for this crime. January 7, 1948. Seventeen Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem, 3 of them while trying to escape. Further casualties, including the murder of a British officer near Hebron, were reported from different parts of the country. January 16, 1948. Zionists blew up three Arab buildings. In the first, 8 children between the ages of 18 months and 12 years, died. December 13, 1947 -- February 10, 1948. Seven incidents of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilians in cafes and markets, killing 138 and wounding 271 others, During this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses. Zionists mined passenger trains on at least 4 occasions, killing 93 persons and wounding 161 others. February 15, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses, killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children.. March 3, 1948. Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa (a 7 story block of apartments and shops) by Zionists who drove an army lorry ( truck) up to the building and escaped before the detonation of 400 Ib. of explosives; casualties numbered 11 Arabs and 3 Armenians killed and 23 injured. The Stern Gang claimed responsibility for the incident. March 22, 1948. A housing block in Iraq Street in Haifa was blown up killing 17 and injuring 100 others. Four members of the Stern Gang drove two truck-loads of explosives into the street and abandoned the vehicles before the explosion. March 31, 1948. The Cairo-Haifa Express was mined, for the second time in a month, by an electronically-detonated land mine near Benyamina, killing 40 persons and wounding 60 others. April 9, 1948. A combined force of Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang, supported by the Palmach forces, captured the Arab village of Deir Yassin and killed more than 200 unarmed civilians, including countless women and children. Older men and young women were captured and paraded in chains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem; 20 of the hostages were then shot in the quarry of Gevaat Shaul. April 16, 1948. Zionists attacked the former British army camp at Tel Litvinsky, killing 90 Arabs there. April 19, 1948. Fourteen Arabs were killed in a house in Tiberias, which was blown up by Zionist terrorists. May 3, 1948. A book bomb addressed to a British Army officer, who had been stationed in Palestine exploded, killing his brother, Rex Farran. May11, 1948. A letter bomb addressed to Sir Evelyn Barker, former Commanding Officer in Palestine, was detected in the nick of time by his wife. April 25, 1948 -- May 13, 1948. Wholesale looting of Jaffa was carried out following armed attacks by Irgun and Haganah terrorists. They stripped and carried away everything they could, destroying what they could not take with them. About putting words in my mouth then laughing at them, Stefan the funny thing is in your mind you aren't but you are Me > Marx may have been born in Germany but his ideals were realized in Russia. You > Hahahahahaha!!!! But no, really, you don't believe that do you? You don't honestly believe that Soviet Russia was what Marx WANTED to happen as an IDEAL? You have some gaps in your education mate. See I never said Marx believed Soviet Russia was what he wanted to have happen, putting words in my mouth then laughing at them. I said; "HIS IDEALS WERE REALIZED IN RUSSIA". White Flight, I'm sorry I didn't write "doesn't it" and now I'm not educated because of that one spelling error? even though the President of the United States speaks in that same manner.
Right, you seem to be missing the point, look at what you said. You said his 'ideals' (defined as 'a conception of something in its perfection' i.e. what he wanted to happen, his ultimate aim, his ideal outcome) were 'realised' (defined as 'successfully completed or brought to an end' in other words made real). There is no need to put words in your mouth, you stated that in Soviet Russia his 'ideals were realised' in other words what he wanted to happen in an ideal world (that is what an ideal is) was actually made real (because that is what realised means). Seriously, just look at what you said. As for putting words in peoples mouths, what about the whole 'British Nazi party' thing? And of course he is known throughout the world for his intelligence and skill with words (N.B. this is not a criticism of George Bush's policies, political acumen or even intelligence, however even the most ardant fan would not claim he is a grammarian, academic or the perfect public speaker, that is part of his charm). Seriously, take it easy, read through what you have written and think about what it means and how it looks. Anyhow, maybe we could get back on topic, feel free to start another thread on 'the zionist conspiracy' elsewhere.
PactofSteel, Can you please read other peoples posts.......... As you can see, that Stefan has addressed your incorrect assumption of "HIS IDEALS WERE REALIZED IN RUSSIA"................
ha, I had to post all of that, everyone and their mother attacked me. And yes lets get back on topic.
Interesting commentary on Fascism by George Owell from 1944. Thought provoking. George Orwell: What is Fascism?
The sad thing out of all this there are basically two types of Jewish people, 1, the Zionists who strongly believe that they are superior to everyone else and are the true children of God. 2, and then the rest who just get on with their live not bothering anyone. Also just like anyone else starting to call someone a Nazi has lost the argument.
Surely that applies to everything, there are two types of Americans/Brits/French/Germans/'insert people here,' those who want to take over the world and are convincd they are better than everyone else and those who just want to live their lives in peace.
It doesn't appear to me he quoted you, but merely expressing his opinion on the subject. Zionism is an international political movement that supports a homeland for the Jewish People in the Land of Israel. I’m not questioning your level of education, but how you reflect it.
This is more or less the definition of Nazism. The technical meaning of Zionism has been given by White Flight above. See the difference ? Anyways, your "Jew types classification" reminds me the Woody Allen "Love and Death" movie. A priest shows young Boris pictures of Jews, so he can tell one when he sees one. (young Boris)-do all jews have horns? (priest)-no this is a russian jew. german jews have stripes.
i think they should just forget about it. didnt they make alot of discoveries doing what they did in the camps, like new medicine and the limits of the human bodies. you know live human test subjects instead of the lab rats. and wasnt some of them just following orders? i dont know just assuming here.
i think they should just forget about it. didnt they make alot of discoveries doing what they did in the camps, like new medicine and the limits of the human bodies. you know live human test subjects instead of the lab rats. and wasnt some of them just following orders? i dont know just assuming here.
Thats a hell of an assumption to make... I would have to say Im not sure the deaths of 6 million men, women and children justify finding out how air pressure effects the body, or the moral issue of using unwilling test subjects and tormenting them till they die. I also cant see the need to experiment on pregnant women as anything other than pure evil. You can probably forget it as you, as you say you assume, no bugger all about it. Personally comments like yours make me realise how little some people really care about the past and how important it is to not forget the victims of mass genocide.
Yes, through bringing massive suffering to human beings. Unethical, wrong, a crime! Following orders isn't an excuse, legally or morally.
No, they didn't. This is a myth, often spread by nazis supporters. Along with sick, criminal and useless experiments aiming at sterilize 'inferior people' or scientificaly proving the 'superiority of the aryan race', they made some medical experimentations, but with very limited positive results. And of course at the tremendous cost of killing and inflicting great pain and suffering to the test subjects. Treating humans like rat is precisely why they are criminals. I really hope you don't miss this point. I order you to open the window and jump. On this kind of subject, this is very unforgiving
I would not assume where this subject is concerned. Be ye warned about Holocaust denial and Nazi apologist statements-neither are tolerated in this forum and this post comes precariously close to both.
I surely don't care what the Nazis say. The fact doing experiments on Jews during the Holocaust was abhorrent, but that does not give them (Jews) the right to enslave Palestinians and continually invade and murder hundreds of poeple in Lebanon, I ma sick and tired of the Israellis continually throwing the Holocaust in our faces, as one continual guilt trip.