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In actual fact, the Germans managed at least three penetrations of the Maginot Line, took six petite ovrages and had a major one under siege. The problem with the line was that it was designed with WW 1 weapons and tactics in mind. The observation turrets proved highly vulnerable to direct fire from large high velocity guns like the 88 and 105mm AA guns the Germans had. This blinded the forts and took out the few forward firing weapons in the system (the majority were sited to fire along the front rather than into enemy territory on the idea this made them less vulnerable to the enemy's artillery.).
Flamethrowers and shaped charges proved capable of destroying the line's bunkers and turrets.
Basically, the problem with the Maginot Line was that the French believed a linear defense would still work. It wasn't a defense in depth per se nor was the system designed with either aircraft or large mobile forces in mind.

 

I stand corrected, I know there was more to it than the trenches though. But its still funny how they just went around it. I'm not defending the Nazis Za Rodinu -meaning their 'ideals' but I will and continue to say they had one of the best militaries ever. The funny thing is its ok for people like Za Rodinu to defend the commies but its not ok for people like IronCross to defend the nazis? Even though Ronald Reagan one of the greatest U.S. presidents ever called the Soviet Union "The EVIL Empire".

 

thankyou finally a proper professional realistic, unbiased and informative view on the original question.

 

what does he mean by nazi apologist?

 

lol well good debate while in lasted sorry got a bit sidetracked a couple of times.

 

The eagle doesn’t catch flies (don’t bother about small things)?
what do you mean by that and what have I done to you, are you a neo-nazi(harmlessly asking)?

 

What a pointless thread... As are all 'What-ifs' by definition.

Surely, if the germans had the resources on the Allies there would have been no Normandy as they would have already conquered the globe with their Uber Armed Forces.

As my old lecturer once said to me...

"Counter-factual history is for those who cant be bothered to read or understand history..."

 

Well I guess we should just agree to disagree-we aren't getting anywhere with that argument.
At least your not one of those people who say stuff like, "The Sherman was rubbish, the Tiger however was the best tank ever and it had no Flaws"

Does 'same military resources' include Intelligence and Intelligence gathering? If so, then the Allies are pretty much screwed.

 

a·pol·o·gist (ə-pŏl'ə-jĭst)
n. A person who argues in defense or justification of something, such as a doctrine, policy, or institution.

I'm not saying that was directed at me but saying they had a great military has nothing to do with defending them. For the love of God any historian will tell you that, my uncle who fought the Nazis told me that!

 

exactly, I don't know why when someone starts discussing the qualities of the Wehrmacht or Germany's military strengths people bring up the Final Solution as if they are trying to put the point across that saying anything positive about them your automatically condoning the Holocaust. It's ridiculous and aggravating.

 

Good call

 

Oi Vye

 

If it wasn't for the "commies" destroying the German Army then alot more GIs would have bought the farm, if that's a correct use of an Americanism, just rememeber that.
That's why it's ok for Za to 'defend' the 'commies' as you say.
Some of these 'What If 'threads are really daft, this one being one of the daftest.

 

In the spirit of the 'What if' question, I believe that that Germans could have defeated the allied landings. Terry made the point concerning allied naval power. Even with that trump, if the Germans had their air force well supplied and intact, that would have been enough to push back the allied trump card. Look at Omaha beach, it was almost withdrawn due to the stubborn defenses and the inability to move off the beach. The allied warships could not hit everywhere. Even they were limited.

So in answer to Top Cat's question, yes, the Germans would have prevailed if all sides were equal. This is the same in saying that France would have prevailed if all sides were equal. At worst, it ends up in a stalemate. But, it isn't the resources that guarantee victories, it is solid and intelligent leadership in using the resources at hand and hitting the enemy where they least expect it.

 

Thanks T.A. My point being thet the Line was not constructed of only "WWI trenches" as implied by Pact. There was more to it then that.

 

Defending commies is defending commies, don't put your own spin on it. Thanks for acknowledging Ronald Reagan's quote about them being 'The 'EVIL' Empire'.

 

POS, what do you know about Soviet Russia before, during and after Stalin's reign and why are you so quick to point out that all Russians are "Commies"?