Holocaust is Propaganda, friend says

If you have never heard of the term Shoah then you have almost certainly never seen the film.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090015/

Nine and a half harrowing hours of first person testimony about the slaughter of the Jews of Europe. It is a very sobering experience.

 

There are a lot of modern Nazis/ anti-Semites/ Holocaust deniers today. On YouTube videos about WWII tons of comments like that run rampant.

Right after Hitler became Chancellor, the Jews "declared war" on Germany by economic means and boycotting German business. They encouraged every Jewish person in the world and all nations to not do business with Germany. That was in a big British paper in January 1933. That was before any race laws were in effect. Some say that's one reason why Hitler became more hostile towards the Jews. It also had to do with the fact that Jewish people in Germany ran and were the majority in every major business and economic field in Germany, and the Nazis felt the Jews were purposely taking over and holding Germans down. I'm not saying I agree with this thinking, just pointing it out.

 

Very interesting. Thanks for that 86...Had always wondered why the Jewish were a thorn in Hitlers mind...Had thought previously it was about scapegoat/racism in order to unite Germans.

 

I would advise being incredibly careful with this line of thought.
The declaration of economic war has become a popular theme in certain distasteful quarters to attempt to shiift blame as to who 'fired the first shot' regarding the Jewish aspect of the holocaust to come (one Daily Express article does not make a spring...), and the 'Majority were Jewish' thing is a lazy paraphrasing of many dark thoughts & themes which have been uttered throughout the centuries.

Adolf's attitude to Jews & Judaism were forged in far more complex & long-established terms than those stated above.

 

Hitler's attitude to Jews? All laid out in 'Mein Kampf'.

 

That is why I put that in quotes. I read a few articles that were cited featuring that information which is why I posted that. I said I'm in no way a holocaust denier nor do I agree with what the Nazis did in regards to Jewish policy. They took what we did in the South, which Hitler said he took inspiration from when coming up with Jewish laws, but multiplied them by ten and then eventually ended in murder.

 

I will go back to the article and get the exact numbers. I didn't have it in front of me so I wrote the majority because from what I read it was. I'm just providing a counterpoint as to how the cruel, insane, delusional Nazis could have tried to justify their thoughts and actions.

For God sakes, they believed in ancient myths and legends as fact! They would alter science with obvious wrong conclusions and actually believe it as fact. They had people who were clinically insane in high advisory positions (to Himmler) because they claimed they were re-incarnated over 10,000 years and saw ancient Pagan Germanic culture first hand. Himmler thought he was a reincarnated medieval Germanic warlord who fought off a Slavic or Mongolian invasion (I forgot which one).

 

As a Canadian, there are prolly others who wonder "what we did in the south" - means. Southern US- with slavery? Sorry I'ma little thick.

 

Don't be alarmed, mate - I am not certainly accusing you of anything.

Just suggesting extreme caution on pat views of 'Why Adolf hated Jews'. Check & re-check.
So many agendas out there, and his viewpoint really was based on more long-term 'assessments', dating well before '33.

 

After slavery the South used Segregation and "separate but equal." They had to use separate bathrooms, public facilities, buses, etc., pretty much every public thing you could think of was separate and African-Americans weren't welcome in "whites only" places. There were also regular beatings, hangings, burning down of African-American's houses, and the courts were skewed toward whites.

 

Slipdigit,

I have a number of photos of that train and some amplifying information. The tank battalion did not just find the train, in fact some interned Finnish soldiers were prisoners on that train, and several of them escaped and went out scouting for allied troops and found the second platoon of D company, 743rd Tank Battalion along with some Infantry of the 119th IR, and led them back to the train. Those Finns were not included in the AAR, so generally not credited for their brave act.

I have a copy of the AAR if you'd like it.

Here is an interesting account from T4 Wilson Rice:

 

Well a quick google turns up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Nazi_boycott_of_1933

and
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/The_Anti-Nazi_Boycott.html

So while the "race laws" may not have been inacted yet it's pretty clear that the Nazi's were taking action against Jews and that was the rational for the boycott.

 

I mean, it's not as if Hitler was fond of Jews before he came to power. He always intended to purge Jews from Germany. The method was undetermined when he assumed power, and for a period of time the Nazis toyed with deportation to various countries including Russia. Of course after the Nazis invaded Russia that plan was permanently shelved. Prof. Geoffree Megaree, director of the US Holocaust Museum, wrote a book on the subject of the Eastern Front and the radicalization of anti-Semitic violence, which I highly recommend.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67C4DdBrcNc

Just as a side note..... I moved to San Francisco in 1985. Renting a room in the house next to me was a lady that was a bout 50 years old. She had a pretty thick "Eastern European" accent.
Dooriya Sylchani is the best way I can think of to spell her name. She told me she was from Silesia, and that after the Germans invaded Poland, she was separated from her family, and was moved around to different "camps" and the to an orphanage, until The War was over. She said the orphanage was run by Nuns, and was in Swabia Germany. I had never heard of Swabia...but I am sure that is the name she used.
While living there, she said a German Doctor and Nurse came by many times to talk to the kids. She said they were from some Purity Department in Berlin.
Said the Doc and Nurse always brought them candy, and played many games with them...often separating the boys from the girls. She said the Nurse was very nice, and that she spoke her native Sinti/Romani language.
Then the Doc and Nurse stopped coming. She said the Nuns were very sad after they stopped "visiting". But soon after, many German Soldiers came to take her and her friends to new homes.
The Nuns hid her and 2 of her friends in a "Secret Basement Room" when the soldiers came. She said she was mad that the Nuns had not let her go with her friends to the new homes, but after a while, she forgot about it. Later there were English speaking soldiers that came to the orphanage, and she was placed in the home of a French family... just outside of Paris...and the moved to The USA in the 1960's.
Anyway....I have not thought about this woman in almost 30 years. I wonder if she was not one of the kids that Eva Justin "interviewed" so many years ago.
My God...so many horrible things happened in that 1935-1945 time frame

 

What a miserable task it must have been for those Nuns! Knowing the children were going to destruction, and not being able to save them all.... Imagine the agony of choosing who to save.

 

Yeah...I asked her about that. Keeping in mind that almost 30 years has past.....I think what she was saying was that:
1. The Nuns were on the side of the kids.
2. The orphanage intentionally kept shoddy, and incomplete records. Often misrepresenting ages, sex, eye color, stuff like that. Anything to lend confusion to what must have been A Lot of parent-less children at that time.
3. The gypsies were not Jews (not usually) and did not have a great paper trail of work, bank statements, address for a utility bill, etc etc. They often were lacking the very comforts that The Nazis could use to track people.
4. Gypsy names were often a jumble of alphabets and languages.

Dooriya spoke (at least to some degree) German, Polish, Russian and whatever her own Romani language was by the time she was 10 years old. It was probably difficult for The SS to tell who the heck all the kids were.....I guess.?
I wish I would have stayed in contact with that woman.....

 

my thought is the reality is horrible that sometimes ones mind becomes delusional and refuses to accept the reality, and believes any alternative theory he/she comes across that can easy the emotional trauma that the truth causes.

Just my .02