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Discussion in 'Weapons & Technology in WWII' started by 4th wilts, May 19, 2008.

  1. 4th wilts

    4th wilts Member

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    now the wolverine was a tank destroyer,it had a 3in..76.2mm gun.it must have been quite sucessful,being deployed in italy i think,and then in france.why was the gun not used in tanks of the same era.yours,lee.sorry if this is on the wrong thread.
     
  2. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Aquila non capit muscas

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    Well, that 3" gun was used in a number of M4 Sherman variants, namely the M4A3E8.

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    From the same site, Hitler having a cold one (in Garmish, during the Winter Olympic Games) :)
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    Nice Pictures. Do u own those?
     
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  5. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Aquila non capit muscas

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    Yes, they were given to me by Mr. Google.
     
  6. 4th wilts

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    was the 17pdr gun the only difference between the wolverine and the achilies.yours,lee.
     
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    Za Rodinu Aquila non capit muscas

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    Basically yes. Differences in innards as well (ammunition storage arrangement in the main)
     
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    does one know when the volverine and achillies came into service.does one know about the ammunition used as well.this would be very interesting.yours,lee.
     
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    Za!

    I really miss your horse, it had such a nice ass!

    Mats
     
  10. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Aquila non capit muscas

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    It's all here Wilts, you need to exercise a bit your Google-fu, you'd be able to find those yourself :) But no matter, we're here to help one another.

    M10 Wolverine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The M-10 gun
    3-inch M1918 gun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    On the Achilles
    - in M10, Achilles Tank Destroyer -Development, production and performance

    From Wikipedia on the 17pdr
    Sorry, had to return the horse, it needed a new headgasket and reboring a cylinder. I hope you haven't lost anything with the change. ;)
     
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    thanks za,i am not sure about the wiki or google;i dont entirely trust them.much better to get help from books,people etc.thank for digging that info up for me,most imformative.lee.
     
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    Za Rodinu Aquila non capit muscas

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    Wiki has been worse than it is now anyway. Always check the Discussions on the articles, some good people posting there at times. Of course books are preferable, but this is the quick and dirty way to get at things in this modern age :)
     
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    Tomcat The One From Down Under

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    Whats wrong with Google?, that is blashpmany mate:) lol.

    "chanting"Google is good, Google is great.

    Google dosn't ever displays wrong information, it only gives links to websites which has the wrong information.
     
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    google has better images then yahoo.
     
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    Mate at work made me this a[​IMG]Achilies.
     
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    Google and Wiki are two different things. One is a seach engine and the other is a online "Encyclopedia".
     
  17. Carl W Schwamberger

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    Getting back to the question of the guns use. The original gun and ammo for the M4 were selected by the armor corps planners circa 1940 and reviewed several time after that. They wanted a gun that was effective vs soft as well as armored targets as they expected the tanks to be ripping thorough defenders disorganized by artillery and airstrikes, or through the enemy rear echelon.

    The TD Branch wa organized in late 1940 and they choose in 1941 a entirely differnet gun specifically for attacking tanks. They also pushed the doctrine that TDs would fight the enemy tanks while the armored force (which included armored infantry and armored artilery) fought the enemy infatry, artillery, and support units. This doctrine was adopted and the US Army organized accordingly. So you had two different groups designing two familys of guns for two differenet purposes.

    By 1943 the idea that all this was a error started to sink in and development of M4 versions with more powerfull AT guns was accelerated.

    The US Army Leavenworth Papers No. 12 'Seek Strike and Destroy: US Army Tank Destroyer Doctrine in WW II' by Dr Peter Gabel is a good primer on the subject. Hunnicutts book on the M4 tank is recomended.
     
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    thankyou carl.i like td,s or s.p.a.t guns,cheers,lee.
     

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