I joined a thread & got shot down!

Just offering some sage advice Skipper LOL.

 

I, as a humble new poster wish to see "Martyn" at least given a fair hearing actually. Perhaps the orignal posts were done in the "flush" of attempting to make an impact on a forum.

Perhaps this "German worship" business can be separated from "Nazi" worship as well. If the only admiration is for weapons of the Nazis, and other Nazi "accomplishments" then the bias will make itself obvious whereupon action can be taken without making this newbie feel like nobody will listen to a reasoned opinion.

 

LOL. Well Clint I think if you trip up you will be treated to the same evenhanded treatment as is dealt out to others here LOL.

 

I gotta give him credit for starting this thread to open up discussion! IMO. he has taken his 50 lashes with a wet noodle, now get let get back to posting Martyn!! There is much to learn here for ALL of us!

 

Hey guys, Thanks for your comments- even from JCFalkenbergIII LOL! (I think we may have some heavy debates in the future-but I am here to learn & you also started on this site once! LOL....again!)
I will be posting some more threads on this site now. I was going to leave as I thought I might be out of my depth, but senders have been so accomadating to me I will stay & we have alot to discuss. Oh Heavens yes!
Thank you for making me feel welcome!
Cheers buds!

Martyn

PS. I took my 50 lashes from a wet noodle, & it was free!.....I normally have to pay!!!

PPS. Of course, I meant the P51! Crap error!

 

I agree with you on the German tanks. And Hi there!

 

Oh he learned all right, he learned...

 

Join the club, I got shot down on my first post by the same person. Some comments for you all, first of all just because you were a vet count's for nothing, you only knew what was happening in your own little circle, you seldom had access to a recent newspaper and like me, you bloody well went where you were told, and did as you were told, even though you knew it to be wrong. I don't think there are many vet's here anyway, most members seem to be to young to have first hand knowledge of WW 2, some of them are either professional stirrers or totally ignorant, let's have a competition for the wooden spoon. On the other hand some are well informed, by selecting their post's a lot can be learned about the weapon's, living conditions, the attitude to the officer's, and many other subjects relating to a allied and hostile forces.
Hypothetical posts. what if, and such like are a waste of time, I prefer to stick to the fact's as far as I know them.
Because War history is my pet subject I will stick with this site for a while in the hope of some improvement in the manners of some of it's members. Cheers all.

 

Thanks for opening a thread that brings out some discussion that may have been needed for awhile. I have a great deal of respect for most members, honour the World War II Veteran as well as those post then who have been willing to go in harms way for their country - particularly peacekeeping.

Otto, I'm glad to see you voice a concern that has personally bothered me. When I brag about this forum it is because of the willingness to talk and to let those who are new to the forum or young have a chance to speak their thoughts, and sometimes teach us something we didn't previously know, or learn. And when they can't learn but are offensive they are warned - given a chance and then escorted off by the moderators.

There have been times in threads that someone asks a question or begins a post on something that has been previously covered - and a member "shoots them down." It is the offensiveness of cutting them off from learning or posting in an aggressive and cold manner that has bothered me. I've been on the Forum a year and I know I haven't read everything as there is just no way to do so in the time I have available. Sometimes, when I search a subject here - I dont' find it at first - so why should we always expect that a newcomer will always find something before posting again. JC and I have been known to post similar stories within days of each other!

I know I will always have a problem with those who come to the Forum with a prejudice for the German military and for some ideologies, but I can't deny their right to voice them. They offend me and those who fought against them, but it is our place here to educate them in those areas they err and to accept when they have a justifiable and valid point. As Martyn has pointed out he is willing to learn or wait to justify his point of view and accept debate. I wish others had come with that attitude. I even recall a very knowledgeable Canadian who was anything but pro-German who was offensive in his anti-American stance and who left rather than learn to debate without that attitude discrediting his facts. I don't expect a subject such as WWII that arouses passion to always be discussed without rancor, but let's give each other some room to maneouver - newcomer or longtime rogue. IMHO.

Oh an by the way welcome to Martyn and the many newcomers I've missed welcoming over the past few months. My advice give the forum time and do a little browsing to learn a bit about the personalities and knowledge levels of those with whom you will debate if you have your own potentially inflamatory viewpoint to espouse!

 

Yes we have LOL. I for one ion the case of duplicate threads will post the similar thread so that the creator of the post can go and see what others have already discussed about the subject. When that usually happens then what occurs is the Mods will merge the threads . On the subject of incorrect information I will not hesitate to point it out and provide the correct information. On the most part I try to be polite about it as much as possible LOL. I think most here are open to learning and accepting corrections. And at least I try to and with a sense of humor about it LOL. But some here are not and very resistant to being shown that the information they provided or stated was not entirely accurate or true . Most with those views do not last long here.

 

Well, I'm actually wondering whether Martyn is still around or are we going on forever without him being active on the forum?

 

hey martin,im near you.do you get on the piss in the bear or the grapes?.cheers buddy.

 

Ahoy Martyn and welcome aboard. From one n00b to another. For what it is worth, here is my two cents. What I do when I decide if I join a forum is hangout in the casual areas for a while. The historical, research, formal discussion areas can get pretty intense real fast, especially if you do not have your reference material readily available. IMHO what this does is allow you to gauge people's levels of humor, what type of humor certain members have, how far a joke will go. Believe it or not this allows you to gauge peoples reactions to things in a more relaxed setting. Mostly and most importantly, it allows the more established members, site owners and admins to get a look at you. Gaffs are more forgivable in these forums. That way after you have established yourself, given yourself time to read all through the other forums/threads/rules, and start posting in the historical forums you know to have all you need readily available to state your opinions and back them up. Also when someone calls you on something they are less likely to treat you like a pretentious n00b (as compared to just calling you a n00b) because they had a chance to get to know you in a more relaxed setting. And always preview your posts. I do it at least twice before posting. Allows you to catch errors and decide if what you wrote actually says what you wanted say.

I give you major kudos for having the backbone to post this thread. Most would have just pissed and moaned, been a general nuisance, piss everybody off and get banned. You showed respect for the forum by stating your opinion, asking other's theirs and whether or not you agreed, you took your lumps like a soldier and moved on. The very first forum I joined I got torn apart and banned for trolling. I got too political too fast in my first few posts. I thought it was a political forum. It was, just they didn't tolerate n00bs too well. I learned my lessons and moved on. That was a few years ago. You'll do fine here. Just remember what my grandpop told me when I was kid. "Son, just when you think you're the lead rat, here comes the faster rats."

Take care,
Salty

 

Michelle, if I may I think you are exaggerating a bit. When I find a newcomer asks some question that has been discussed in the past I post links to the threads that have bearing on the subject in the hope that there was a reply already in the past to the question put. This will help avoid having to go over again through the same ground, repeating discussios that had died down long ago. How many different threads do we already have on Operation Seelöwe after all ?

Having said that I have no objection to the said newcomer resurrecting and extending old threads, actually I find this a fun exercise and actually there are a lot of old threads that do deserve this treatment

 

Well...actually, specificly the Allied tanks in WW2 were not superior to the German. The allied tactic was quantity not quality, and the Germans destroyed 4 allied tanks for every 1 of theirs. Airplanes is a different story.

It is my beleif that no army was superior to the other in the war, 1 army (depending on the situations) often had the advantage over the enemy, but if you were to take the average allied soldier and compare it to the average German soldier, it was pretty much the same.

by the way, how was the first poster (I forgot his name already) stepping on someone elses toes? He was meerly expressing his opinion.

I'm new to this forum buddy and the thing to bear in mind with me is if I see anyone trying to bully around another member like they no better, I have no problem with challenging them right back.
Good to be here.

NJ

 

As I said early is Martyn stilL ACTIVE on the forum or is this becoming useless talk? If he does not show up I will close this thead soon.

 

I think that this thread has reached the closing point.

 

I concur, Robert.

Isn't that rather a sweeping statement? Please quote the 'Allied' field manual stating that doctrine, or tactic as you call it.

 

Hello Nachtjaeger,

many people here incl. myself got shot down for stating opinions or forwardings - I think it is a very natural process in any Forum or society.

However statements of opinion and using the wrong words or terms is a difference. As such you might review on the term Tactic - before you might get shot down .

The Allies did have superiority in regards to quantity from a certain point of time onwards during the 2nd WW, however that wouldn't be a tactic.

Regards
Kruska