Another shooting incident in Finland

Thank you Sir.

 

Mibo, VERY well said.

It has come to my attention-my opinion that is, that certain people taking the name of someone from the ancient and or mythical world, that apparently that person also is filled full of mythical thoughts as well. These thoughts include that of that the world is such a safer place when honest and average Citizens cannot own a fire-arm.

Again it is to my opinion that this person with such an ancient-sounding name, sure as f*** does not know a fragging thing about life. Said persons world is that of one that only comes froma teeney tiny place located on the opposite side of the world as from the USA. Though I am not making fun of said persons Country-certainly not! However, said person has come on here with almost every posting said person has posted and has accused everyone-especially those who live in the United States, of being (not exactly in his words) bullies full of testosterone and very scary boogiemen.

With that said above, I could go and purposely make fun of that sad said poster for not being able to own any guns to "play with," but I shant mention who he is as we all who KNOW the truth know that this lad is speaking from lack of knowledge and lack of experiance.

I would go on and on about this, but my fingers are tired of this thread for now.

 

Bro, aint THAT the truth. That sad said individual seems to be on somekind of "holy agenda" that we seem to just "HAVE" to be told about. I remember several years ago, I ran into this same problem ona Militaria site where a supposed group of Swedish Citizens felt that they just HAD to join and barge in our community.

One thing that I do have to wonder about that person who is anti-gun ownership is that I wonder why he barges in on our (THIS) community, if that person is going to have so many problems with Americans and Americans in particular who happen to own real live-firing weapons?

I just wonder if said person somehow had some terrible experiances in his younger years with haunted weapons that flew through the air and also somehow managed to fire by themselves at any person of interest? I have to admit that I too, have seen weapons fly through the air, in at least one Three Stooges two-reeler. :lol: :lol: :lol: Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk & woo woo woo.

The answer to said question above is: "Why Sointently!! nyuk, nyuk, nyuk."

 

Back to the SUBJECT at hand. Here is some more about it,

Cell phone threats stir copycat fears in Finland
By MARIUS TURULA, Associated Press Writer Thu Sep 25, 3:28 PM ET


KAUHAJOKI, Finland - Panic spread among students in Finland on Thursday as threatening text messages and Internet postings raised fears of new attacks mimicking a deadly school rampage.
Worried children and parents jammed telephone help lines and scores of children stayed away from class after threats popped up against schools and students.
While most appeared to be hoaxes, police were taking every threat seriously to avoid a repeat of Tuesday's shooting, in which a 22-year-old gunman killed 10 people and himself at a vocational school in this town in western Finland.
It was the second school shooting in the country in less than a year. Last November, an 18-year-old man fatally shot eight people and himself at a high school in southern Finland.
"It's clear that the more you talk about these incidents, the more chances there are of copycats," National Police Commissioner Mikko Paatero told reporters in Helsinki. "After we've witnessed two such incidents, the threat is real."
Both gunmen posed with or fired guns in YouTube clips posted before the rampages. The similarities between the attacks — including reports that they bought their guns at the same place — prompted police to probe potential links between them.
"The cases were similar. They were the same type of person, so it could be possible," investigation leader Jari Neulaniemi told The Associated Press. "They had the same style of hair, same kind of clothing, same interests and ideals — and their deeds were the same."
The jitters spread to neighboring Sweden, where one school was evacuated. Police arrested a 16-year-old boy after viewing a suspicious YouTube clip in which he posed with weapons. He was released after police said the video was just a prank.
Police in both countries stepped up their surveillance of YouTube and other Web sites to monitor for signs of possible attack plans.
"We'd be looking to see if we can, by careful analysis, weed out some who would pose a potential threat," said Tero Kuremaa, from the National Bureau of Investigation.
In Finland, police held two young men for questioning about threatening Internet postings, evacuated at least one school and detained a 15-year-old for allegedly sending threats to another school.
Meanwhile, investigators struggled to find the origin of the text messages that sparked fear among students.
"The text messages are threatening in nature and are causing fear and hysteria among young people, and we must stop them," said Urpo Lintula, a spokesman for the regional police department that covers Kauhajoki.
He added that Finland saw a similar wave of threats after the November shooting.
Police, psychiatrists and social workers set up dozens of crisis help lines nationwide to deal with reported threats, calls for help and to provide counseling. The Finnish Red Cross closed down a chat line after 350 callers jammed switchboards.
"There's a lot of uncertainty in the air and there's a lot of fear," said Tero Hintsa, a Red Cross worker in Kauhajoki. Scores of children stayed away from class Wednesday and Thursday, he said.
A 500-student school in the southern town of Keuruu was evacuated after suspicious text messages and Internet postings. A 15-year-old boy was arrested in the west coast city of Turku for allegedly sending threatening messages to a school, STT news agency reported.

Police in the central town of Kajaani detained two men aged 18 and 23 for menacing messages they had posted on the Internet.
"They were fairly vague but they mentioned shootings in schools and bomb explosions," Kajaani police spokesman Arto Lumikari said, adding the men were not believed to be planning any attacks.
On Tuesday, Matti Saari killed eight female students, one male teacher and one male student, and torched their bodies. A 21-year-old woman whom Saari shot in the head was still hospitalized after having two operations.
Sanna Orpana, 17, told AP Television News that she was in the classroom next door when the shooting began at the school. "We started to hear shooting and a kind of a rumble like tables falling down. We thought someone is playing around, fooling with toy guns," she said, adding that a few students went to look in the other room. "The guy was there with a gun, and tried to shoot them."

Cell phone threats stir copycat fears in Finland - Yahoo! News

 

How far should these "Copycats" be allowed to go and how much should the Law be used against them? Even though they were "Pranks" should the law come down on them harder? Teach them a lesson for thier stupidity and callousness? For what they did were sure not the acts of intelligence. But then again some kids today have no idea about what they do or say in regards to society and reality. Are the ones who commited these acts perhaps future killers just waiting to go off?

 

People with no upbringing or guidance and so little going on in their head and their life, that the only thing that they can come up with is destructive and parroting.
Pitiful.
Wards of the state, either previously or in the future. Preach diversity and free expression with no consequences (or you're profiling, prejudice, abusive, suffocation) all you want.
Trash like this is what you get.
No work ethic. Entitlement born, raised, and for life.
It used to be gratification after work;
Then gratification from just showing up, (arrive late-leave early)
Now it's gratification delivered or you're abusing me.
As long as the (PC) state blames everyone but themselves, for the sakes of their employment, feigning your best interests as a reason to prey on their own populace with a non-existent (de jure) rule book, that not even "God" could live up to, (purposely that way)(a two-headed coin) ...
More of this.
"Crisis is the friend of the government. It's a reason to take more money and more power." John Stossel
If an event is staged-copied (not saying this one was), all the "bugs" crawl out of the woodwork preaching "it's all this, or it's all because of that."
Nope ... It's the ones that did it.

 

I agree with you on this one, those in glass houses should not throw stones, i have heard in this country (Australia) that America was trown into the argument, but many of this country have forgotten such incidents such as the Port Arthur Massacre 35 dead, 37 wounded, The Hoddle Street Shootings 7 dead, 19 wounded, and the Strathfield Massacre 7 dead and 6 wounded.

Massacres happen all over the world. Heard an interesting fact, East Germany was once regarded of having the toughest gun laws in the world at the time and yet still managed to at one point in time had the 3rd highest murder rate in the world in relation to gun use.

But why folks bring in the US is the staggering numbers of poeple killed in criminal acts each year by firearms between 38,000 to 42,000 that is still a staggering number.

v.R

 

von Rundstedt

Massacres happen all over the world. Heard an interesting fact, East Germany was once regarded of having the toughest gun laws in the world at the time and yet still managed to at one point in time had the 3rd highest murder rate in the world in relation to gun use.

Hello v. R.

If that statistic includes the civilians shot at the Berlin wall or along the Iron curtain then I could follow up on this statement.
Would't you happen to have a source for this statement?

Regards
Kruska

 

"Sources"? "Sources"? We don't need no stinkin' "Sources"!!!! LOL

 

sorry guys this is going off topic right and left,

look out before it

 

Hey I tried to get back to it!!!! LOL

 

Aren't those figures the TOTAL number of gun deaths in the US each year, including police shootings and justifiable homicides such as citizens protecting themselves, rather than just deaths from criminal homicides?

For instance, this site; Gun Deaths In USA
lists 29,573 firearms-related deaths in the US for 2001, including accidental deaths, suicides, and homicides (any killing by another whether justified or criminal). If you really understand the numbers and per capita rates, they aren't that far off from plenty of other countries and below the rates for some countries. In 2005, there were 30,694 firearms-related deaths in the US. More than 55% were suicides and only 40% involved criminal acts. The balance were accidents or justifiable homicides. You have to be careful when using statistics related to this issue because so many groups with political agendas do not hesitate to manipulate the numbers to suit their purposes.

 

Radio 2UE Thursday moring shift at approx 2.35am regards to gun control.


v.R

 

Since this thread is about shooting/killing in Finland, I think we should leave it to shootings and killings and not divert this into meaningless statistics about suicides.

From a 1993/5 statistic in regards to homocide death rates per 100,000 and % gun possession of the entire population.

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvintl.html

USA
Firearm homocide 5.7 gun possession 39%
Norway
Firearm homocide 0.97 gun possession 32%
Canada
Firearm homocide 0.76 gun possession 29%
Switzerland
Firearm homocide 0.58 gun possession 27%
France
Firearm homocide 1.12 gun possession 23%
New Zealand
Firearm homocide 1.47 gun possession 23%
Germany
Firearm homocide 1.17 gun possession 9%
England
Firearm homocide 1.41 gun possession 4.7%

Just as the NRA say goes (more or less), its the pople that kill not the gun.

The aconclusion in regards to above statistic is very simple: It is not the respective gun laws or gun possession that take account for homocides but the people themselves.

It merely reflects the status of the United States as a high-gun ownership/high-violence nation thats all.

Regards
Kruska

 

Hello v.R.

will be a difficult source to track, but thanks anyway

Regards
Kruska

 

I have never heard of someone killing someone else by throwing a bullet at someone without using a gun.

Maybe just maybe in America the sanctity of life is not as high eslewhere.

v.R

 

Off course the gun possession is in regards to % of gun possession in the country and not in regards to the homocide.
Why are sources being quoted and people don't read them?

Regards
Kruska

 

The police is tracking them down and the same kind of thing happened the last time Nov 2007 with the school shootings. They end up in the court with maximum penalty two years of prison ( depends on the age of course...).

 

I don´t know if with the other shooting incidents ever this kinda thing happened but with this last one here in Finland the killer just shot one of his closest friends as well and almost another. And he knew the friends would be there....