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A court should force the parents to change this name and make them pay for all the expensees + a fine and possibly a gift to a war victim charity

 

So parents who pick names like 'faith' in order to set them apart, is that not a bit weird? Loads of people have embarassing names, it's just a thing you get on with and is totally different from naming your kid after Hitler. I might also point out that if you look at the Zappa kids you have:

Moon Unit Zappa, successful writer, comedian, author etc.
Dweezil, real name Ian but Dweezil was used as a nickname when he was young and he had it made his real name of his own free will.
Ahmet Zappa, named after a friend of his father, currently a musician working for Jim Henson company.
Diva Zappa, owns her own company.

So all in all, not the disfuncuntional group you might expect of kids who were embarrassed their whole lives of the names their Father gave them. I only say this on the basis that when people give their kids 'weird' names it doesn't always ruin them and isn't necessarily a sign of bad parenting. Which is why (in answer to the original question) Zappas kids were not taken off him but young 'Adolf Hitler' was.

Keep in mind I lived in an area with a large Jewish population where kids were generally fairly well educated, enough to know who Adolf Hitler was at least. Kids are cruel, they are going to attack (verbally, physically or whatever) a kid who is named after a man guilty of genocide, one of the most famous evildoers of all time. I can't help wondering what 'such names' in your area were that kids tolerated them, I suspect they weren't that extreme, I can't help thinking that the day 'Klu Klux Klan McGee' turns up at Corpus Cristie high would be an interesting day for him.

I take your point, but I don't think it is the fact the child is called that which is the issue, it is the fact that naming your child after Hitler is probably a fairly reliable sign of bad parenting and could be seen as placing the child at risk. It isn't censorship but child protection.

Not sure what this actually means. There is nothing wrong with naming your son Adolf, never said there was. Adolf Hitler is a different issue though. Not sure at all how my second paragraph relates to this. Sorry, maybe I'm being dense but I'm not sure what you are saying.

 

Being uprooted from my comfortable upper midwest existence to having to move to a heavily hispanic area was a huge culture shock. Arriving in the middle of first grade made things worse as all the cliques and groups had already been decided before I arrived and I didn't fit in. Finally, although my first name isn't uncommon, there was only one other person in that town with that name, and he was an adult.

I had to fight often to defend my skin color and my name. Add in the abuse I got at home and it all added up to me being an angry person by the time I was in my early adulthood. I'm indeed fortunate that I didn't land in jail or prison.

Many parents often don't think when they make decisions that affect their children. Because of my experiences I have radical views of the threshold that should be met for taking children away from adults.

Naming your child Adolph Hitler gives him only one path to walk on.

 

Hi Urgh, I do get what your saying and completely concur w/ it but, again I have to lay this question down: "What's wrong with naming your Son--Adolf?" I personally would not name my Son Adolf-most likely I would name him--Jeremy, Patrick, Richard, Jacob or some-other name like these. As for naming Daughters-i'd choose good names such as Heather, Susan, Michelle, April, May or June (after the three prettiest months of the year ;-))

Ahhh, but I hold a deep, dark secret, I REALLY would name my Son after the great German actors Erich von Stroheim or even Peter Lorre :lol:

 

(((( It simply means what I said it means-there is nothing wrong w/ naming a Son -- Adolf. Now, IF you choose to add Hitler to that name--then I find fault w/ the entie name.))))

That said---Are we there yet?

 

My point is that it seems weird to me, is that a reason to descriminate. I think we both probably agree no, it isn't.

Beg to disagree, he was a VERY intelligent man, a giant in the music world and clearly a very good father. 'Not all there,' he clearly was very much there. Anyhow, for another time.

[qutoe]Those are two totally different situations and you know you can't compare them.[/quote]

The point is that you started to compare them earlier.

Names can be beautiful, as someone once said, 'the second most special thing my parents gave me.'

A mare is a female horse though, rather than a 'type' as such. Over here it is a term of abuse a lot of the time

Sorry, think I didn't explain myself too well. The kids weren't taken away because of the name itself but because of the bad parenting and risk of harm. The objection isn't to the words themselves but to the threat they pose to the child. Does that make sense?

Yeah, agreed entirely. Not a name I would pick but hey, each to their own.

Anyhow, try going to school with the first name Stefan and the inital E. It took me years to realise why people laughed when I introduced myself as StefanE Bridle...

 

Bet you got your pony tails pulled....Hey...I got called sue....whats your problem.

 

Are we sure we're talking to the right person?

 

Until you give us a snap of Sancho on yer back and Don Quixote by your side I'm not believing thats your ass either.

 

The point is that you started to compare them earlier.

(((OK, I did, so what's your point on this one?))))




Names can be beautiful, as someone once said, 'the second most special thing my parents gave me.'

A mare is a female horse though, rather than a 'type' as such. Over here it is a term of abuse a lot of the time



Sorry, think I didn't explain myself too well. The kids weren't taken away because of the name itself but because of the bad parenting and risk of harm. The objection isn't to the words themselves but to the threat they pose to the child. Does that make sense?


(((Wh

at exactly-which has not been a 100% proven thing, that was allegedly the abuse excuse that those child-protection workers needed in order to take away that couples children? I used to work for CPS here in Texas, and I KNOW how easily it is in order to legally take children out of their homes. Simply put, those CPS workers have too much power it's been proven too many times that some CPS workers have a "God" complex, and abuse their State given powers. Stefan, we can agree to disagree on this because for one-and as far as I know--you have never worked for any CPS agency here in the United Stats-as I have and you simply do not know what your talking about. Everything you know is based solely on opinon-not fact. No intentions of ruffeling your feathers here. I would do the same th
ing to someone who doesn't know Jack-squat about what really goes on in Prisons either. ))))





Yeah, agreed entirely. Not a name I would pick but hey, each to their own.

(((Thanks))))



Anyhow, try going to school with the first name Stefan and the inital E. It took me years to realise why people laughed when I introduced myself as StefanE Bridle...[/QUOTE]

(((Stefan, I see absolutely nothing wrong with your given name either. All I can say is that apparently you witnessed un-called for ridicule from ignorant peers.)))

Best regards-Carl.

 

Easy, carl....you give him too much leeway....If I had known him in my school and he had an E after the Stefan....oh what fun stefaneee....Mind you, I dont rate me chances unless I can run faster than him.

 

Hi Urgh, I hear ya and most definately agree w/ ya on that. ;-)) Heh heh, now I hope that Stefan never went to school w/ shoulder-length hair. ;-)) If that was the case-i'd have teased him too. ;-))

 

Somehow the image of Lt. Grüber and his little tank just crossed my mind.

 

Stefan...Im sorry mate...thats just too funny.....

 

Stefan, is currently relaxing after a stressful Xmas period.

The amount of times he has had to fend off autograph hunters and lkittle girlies, asking him to sing the Snowman is unbelievable and his throat needs a rest...so stop picking on the poor lad.

 

It is your opinion that he was 'not all there' but there is quite a heafty amount to the contrary.

[qutoe]OK, I did, so what's your point on this one?[/quote]

You compared them, I pointed out that the comparison was massively flawed, you then said they were different situations and can't be compared. Sorry, I'm a bit confused as to what you are on about again.

Sorry Carl, 'you haven't worked with CPS therefore know nothing' is clearly a flawed argument. Frankly though whatever the situation with the CPS, taking these kids away from their parents was IMHO a good idea (and remember, if you disagree that is simply your opinion as well, having had a job in the CPS doesn't make you right). What is the alternative? To leave the kid with parents who are clearly idiots!

Sorry Carl, I don't need you to tell me my name is ok Maybe I didn't make myself clear. As you may know 'Stefanie' is a fairly common girls name whilst 'Stefan' is a fairly uncommon boys name. It was only natural that kids would take the mickey but my point is this, if kids took the mickey out of me for that imagine having the name 'Adolf Hitler.' The kid will be bullied, ridiculed and there is a fair chance will face physical and verbal attack.

Za, I was wondering when someone would spot that. The worrying thing is there is a guy in my regiment who is the dead spit of Gruber.

Hey, I was standing in a bar in Leicester Square a few years back and someone asked me for an autograph thinking I was Aled Jones, damnit!

 

You compared them, I pointed out that the comparison was massively flawed, you then said they were different situations and can't be compared. Sorry, I'm a bit confused as to what you are on about again.


(((argh, I hate posting long replies and will keep these as short as possible on a moot subject. My posting isnt massivelt flawed- simply put--you Stefan do not know what your talking about when it comes to what goes on behind closed CPS doors-I do.)))



Sorry Carl, 'you haven't worked with CPS therefore know nothing' is clearly a flawed argument. Frankly though whatever the situation with the CPS, taking these kids away from their parents was IMHO a good idea (and remember, if you disagree that is simply your opinion as well, having had a job in the CPS doesn't make you right). What is the alternative? To leave the kid with parents who are clearly idiots!o

((((((((Nope, to the above. Again, you post from lack of knowledge & experiance.

You cannot take a persons children away-just because they are idiots. You CAN take them away for abuse. Naming a Son after and infamous twit--is NOT abuse-just STUPID.)))))))






Sorry Carl, I don't need you to tell me my name is ok Maybe I didn't make myself clear. As you may know 'Stefanie' is a fairly common girls name whilst 'Stefan' is a fairly uncommon boys name. It was only natural that kids would take the mickey but my point is this, if kids took the mickey out of me for that imagine having the name 'Adolf Hitler.' The kid will be bullied, ridiculed and there is a fair chance will face physical and verbal attack.

(((((Eh? yeah-which is something I was already aware of the fact of-needing no remedial reminders of.)))


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Za, I was wondering when someone would spot that. The worrying icthing is there is a guy in my regiment who is the dead spit of Gruber.



Hey, I was standing in a bar in Leicester Square a few years back and someone asked me for an autograph thinking I was Aled Jones, damnit![/QUOTE]

 

I don't know about other places, but having the CPS taking MY children away from their psychotic mother and delivering them to my close family was a damned very good idea for the girls' sake.

At your places I can't judge. But here? Long live the CPS, proudly say I!

 

No Carl, you miss the point, sorry, you compared the Zappa's to young Adolf Hitler, that comparison was hugely flawed and you later pointed out that they aren't comparable. If they aren't comparable why did you compare them to start with. Sorry, that was the 'flaw,' you compared two cases and then clearly stated they weren't comparable.

Sorry, you can take a child away (over here at least) if the parents are not fit to care for them. This does not necessarily mean abuse. That said, Hitler an 'infamous twit' has to be one of the best descriptions I have ever seen

Maybe so, but some people on here apparently do. It does however seem pretty clear that if you call a child Adolf Hitler you are making it quite inevitable that the child will face abuse during its life. Is ensuring your child is abused by others not abuse in itself.

 

No Stefan, I missed none of your attempted points. Also, the subject is now Ende w/ me as im not wasting anymore time trying to get you to open yoour eyes to reality that shows that you don't have a leg to stand on because you simply refuse to acknowledge that you don't know what the heck your talking about.

(ENDE)