Security snafu in the UK

Yes, like getting their intelligence service out of the business of propagandizing, training, and arming radicals within their own country. One has to wonder who is really running Pakistan.

Cheers

BW

 

If only the media here was run by people like Urqh, I was watching something the other day and this woman was in tears due to threats being shouted at her across the street. And I have not seen anything in the media telling people not to do this.

I shouldn't be saying this, but my father told me about the twelfth man arrested (he is a clerk in the Police), unfortunatly I can't tell you.

 

THE DAILY URGH

BUS NOT FOUND ON THE MOON

And another chance to claim your free Lenin statue calling for a cab.


All this and more in the fastest selling news paper in history.

 

I hate you Butler...

 

And the problem is....its getting worse....

 

And here was I thinking that the best thing to come out of Leeds was the "M1"...Absolute Quality that mate...You win this round...:i_surrender:

 

The part of this story which irritates me is how the original error was ruthlessly exploited by the press to generate news without any thought as to what the result might be. Makes me wonder which side the press are on.

 

The side that sells there newspapers, print and be dammed.

 

you know the twin towers were actually said to have been taken down by missiles and not hijacked passenger planes
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urgh. you qouted:"the frist priotity of any government and judicial system is to defend it's citizen"

how can the government can't protect and defend it's citizens when the emeny is living amounst them or even british citzens?
it's like like in the past when the emeny is attacking on the out side of england,there attacking england inside of england.

 

Heidi can I ask what country you come from?

The UK has been subjected to bombings for many years long before radicals from the middle east came along. I grew up in London in the 70's and 80's and a bomb going off or a bomb scare every every month was a not a unregular occurance. Infact I'm sure most Londoners who were around then could tell you a story of how close they or someone they know justs gets on with it and moves on.

As someone said after the 7/7 bombings in London when being interviewed by the news, 'We are British, we just get on with it, that's what we do'.

How right he was

 

Drew, I was only a youngster when we moved to London in the 80's but even I remember having to leave dinner half eaten as a shopping centre was evacuated whilst they carried out a controlled explosion. I couldn't agree more with the later sentiment, people just get on with life. As someone pointed out recently, the reaction to the 7/7 bombings couldn't have been more British, the next day saw people complaining that their bus was late, the day after one exploded!

 

Heidi, that is quite correct, but 11 of the 12, and lets not forget at the moment they are alledged to be what they are and nothing stated as fact as of yet.....but 11 of the 12 are here on student visas, granted in Pakistan.

The duty of the govt and juciciary I talk of to protect the citizen here, started in Pakistan with the procedure run and financed by and on behalf of the same British govt and judiciary.

Thats where the defence starts. Not on the streets of Liverpool and Manchester.

 

if the united states can not defend there people the people defend themselves

 

I dont get that Stefan, what are you and Drew saying here...that just because it has happened before we should just get on and forget it?

If there are ever lapses in security, and it has not been proved here that there was I will admit, but if ever there are, then there is a responsibility of those that make that lapse possible or are responsible for that lapse...especially if leads to any bombings etc to be held responsible...They are not our betters to be trusted in all maters security..They are responsible to us not us to them. Folk should be angry with any one who places the country or countrmen and women in danger through any lapses...and they should always be held responsible. Thats not old fashioned speaking or moaning thats responsiblity. And ownership...if we wish to talk new management speak.

 

what in the **** are you talking about

 

My point being that some were and are making a big hoo har out of this incident that don't live in the UK suggesting it must be terrible for us etc etc having such a problem as if it's a new problem for the UK.

My point was that people in the UK particulary in London are used to this sort of thing and it's nothing new. In the main UK citizens let the the Police and other security services get on with it. Being a ex squaddie and Rozzer I know what the jobs like and except it makes mistakes sometimes-However I have faith in the system to put matters right too.

I just don't get making a big deal out of it - Terrorist activities in the UK are nothing new.

Regards

 

I'd agree with you on the point it is nothing new to the country, I've been involved in enough of the incidents myself in the past to realise that.

I dont think though that generational you are correct, from what I see in media or listen to from younger folk, it is new to them, the majority have forgotton the problems of the mainly 70's thru to 90's. I would put it differently. I see as many being outwardly fearful after the last London bombing as there were those that as you say would want to get on with it. Somethings have changed, we just dont want to see the British people as changing as we are the British people.

Terrorism is certainly nothing new, but terrorism that is preventable that can be prevented should be prevented.

 

The following is a quote printed in the Liverpool Echo on Saturday April 11th...
The Pakistani High Commissioner to the UK said. "The British government should be doing more thorough checks on foreign students entering the UK."

What, like checking with the govt of the country of origin that the student application is a valid one? Don't the relevant authorities who issue student visas do that anyway? I would certainly hope so...Particularly when the country is "alleged" to have sympathetic links with Al-Qaida. Or is it a case of, the Al-Qaida threat is just a Muslim thing, so applications from what are classed as "non Muslim" countries are less suspect?
Seeing how I don't actually know for a fact what criteria a student visa application has to meet, I can only comment on what, to me seems like common sense. But I do know that an easy way into the UK is to become a student and then just stay...Follow-up checks on visas don't appear to be a priority.

As for the 12 men that where arrested, there has yet to be any "official" statement...Like Urqh, I am also using the terms, "alleged" and "suspected". But, It's been 5 days now, and the police are still at the apartment in the next street to mine...2 van loads of police to be exact, all day every day since Wednesday. They can be heard ripping up the floor boards, and have been seen leaving with numerous "evidence" bags. But, we can only wait and see...

 

One would hope common sense is used in all aplicatons for student visas from anywhere just as it should be with any visas or access to the country. Its not racist in anyway shape or form to have an entry policy to any country.

One that is currently a terrorist hotspot with whole areas of the country presently signed off by the official govt to tribal leaders is one that should be looked at even more closely.

Common sense though is not always the first thing that comes to mind in the world of Private Finance Initiative and Outsourcing.