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Mines and booby traps used in the Greek Civil War

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  1. ark

    ark Member

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    I'm a new member.
    I was trying to find information about mines and booby traps in the greek civil war using the google. But i didnt find anything. Anyone knows about ?

    I know that the Greek civil war was after the end of the Second world war, but there was almost the same weapons, as the members of the resistance fought against the enforcement of the king.

    Thank you in advance
    ark
     
  2. BWilson

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    Speculation. The Germans pulled out of Greece in a hurry and probably left ordnance behind. The British occupied Greece after the Germans left and no doubt provided ordnance to Greek factions opposing the Communists. The Communists may have obtained German, Italian, and / or Russian ordnance from Tito. I also believe American advisors were present during the civil war and there may have also been U.S. ordnance available as well.

    Cheers

    BW
     
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    Dear BWilson,

    In the Greek Civil War was the Δ.Σ.Ε (Greek Army for the Democracy), against the Ε.Σ (Greek Army). The Greek Army for the Democracy consisted not only by communists, but almost all of the resistance members.
    Could you give me any information or websites about the U.S. ordnance, the German ordnance, the Italian ordnance, or Russian ordnance;

    Thank you in advance,
    ark
     
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    If Tito's Communists in Yugoslavia helped to outfit the Greeks, they' also have American and British weapons as both countries outfitted Tito's partisans during World War II. What are the exact years of the Greek Civil War? I'd also imagine there would be a lot of Soviet weapons used too.

    In regards to the mines, I think they'd be a random assortment from all those countries.
     
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    The weapons which used in the Greek Civil War. I know that is a bit irrelevant, but i think that it can give you an idea about the variety of ordnance which used. Probably there was a usage of italian mines. Mussolini, have you any information about italian mines??Or a website?


    Revolvers

    Nagant 7.62 /1898
    Colt 0.38 /1924
    Colt-M1917 0.455in.
    Smith & Wesson 0.38
    Webley-MkIV 0.38
    Enfield-No 2MkI 0.38

    Glisenti ml1889 10.35mm

    Pistols

    Browning 9mm 1910/22
    Rubi-Martian 7.65
    Beretta 9mm 1934
    Glisenti ml 1910 9mm Glisenti

    Luger-P08 9mm
    Walter-P38 9mm
    Mauser-C96 7.63

    Rifles-Carbines

    Mannlicher-Schoenauer 6.5mm 1903/14/25
    Mannlicher-Repetier 8mm or 7.92 1895
    Mannlicher-Carcano M91 6.5mm
    Bertier-mle 1892 8mm
    Mannlicher ml 1895 8mm

    Lebel mle 1886 8mm
    Mauser FN ml 1930 7.92mm
    Mauser ml 1890/1893/1903/1905 7.92mm
    Gras 11mm 1874
    Lee Enfield 1 MkIII 0.303in
    Lee Enfield 4 MkI 0.303in
    Mosin Nagant 7.62 1891/1930
    MP44, 7.92mm
    Gew, 7.92mm
    Kar-98k 7.92
    M1-Garant 7.62

    M1-Carbine .303inch

    Submachine guns

    Stayer MP34 9mm
    Beretta 38A 9mm
    Tompson 0.45in.
    MP38-Smaicher 9mm
    MP40 Marsip 9mm
    Erma MPE 9mm
    Suomi M34 9mm or 7.65
    MP34 / MP35 9mm
    MP41 9mm
    Sudayeva PPS43 7.62
    PPSh41 7.62
    ZKvz383 9mm
    UD42 9mm
    Tompson M1A1
    Patchet or Sterling 9mm

    Steyer-Solothyrn S1-100 9mm Steyer
    Beretta ml 1938A 9mm Glisenti


    Light machine guns

    Chauchat 8mm
    Hotchkiss 6.5mm
    Breda 6.5mm
    Bren MkI & Lewis MkI 7.7mm
    Madsen 7.92
    Hotchkiss mle 1922/1926 6.5mm

    Hotchkiss mle 1922 7.92 mm
    BarM1918A2 7.62


    Machine guns

    MG-42 7.92 mm
    MG-35 7.92 mm
    Hotchkiss mle 1914/1926 7.92
    Maxim ml 1908/1915 7.92mm
    Swarzloze ml 1907/1912
    St.Etiene mle 1907
    Vickers Mk I 7.7mm
    Fiat ml 1935 8mm
    Fiat Revelli ml 1914 6.5mm
    Breda ml 1937 8mm
     
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    Thank you friend.
    These sites cover one side of the sybject.
    How about german booby traps?
     
  8. BWilson

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    I don't see much about this on the internet. From what I recall, most of them were grenades or artillery shells that were detonated by weight or by having a trip wire pulled.

    Section 5 of this resource talks about booby traps in general: http://armyapp.dnd.ca/ael/pubs/B-GL-361-009-FP-001_E.pdf

    Cheers

    BW
     
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    Thank you for the website
    Last year i found with my unit a very strange booby trap. It consisted by a 75mm artillery shell hidden in a tree with three trip wires and three grenades hidden near to the shell. The lieutenant ordered me to blow up the trap. But i am still wondering about that trap. German or English design??Or a design of a genius guerilla?
     
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    Thank you spotter. Very nice site!
    The trap which i found was a very clever design. I, 60 years after that and second lieutenant of the Greek Army, i could'nt ever think to use a combination of grenade and artillery shells. Probably i would use some M18's.:) The fantasy and the improvisation were replaced by the technology.:(
    But the most interesting thing is that the one grenade was not hidden well and the whole trap was covering a path entrance, about 10 meters long.

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