WI no U.S. involvement in War

What if the U.S.A. wouldn’t had entered WW One?

Would there be Communism in Russia, Hitler as a politician in Germany, a second World War at all?

 

Germans may have won in the West, they where very close to in 1918. The brits and french eventually won because of the american help, and their superior tanks.

They were close because of the end of the war in the East and had only one front to fight on. So that would not have change the rise of Communism in Russia.

World would have been very different: no Versaille Diktat, no Hitler, and no US influence in Europe. Eventually, Germans may very well attack USSR, with much better odds. But that's another story...

 

I think it was just at that time you had men who had been living in the same spot for four years and American refinforcements meant basicly newer fresh troups and a chance for weary veteran units to rest for a bit and the ability to launch larger offensives.

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Out side is America!

 

3 possible outcomes:

a) Gy wins: German hegemony in Central Europe. No Hitler, no commies, no Poland, no Czechoslovakia. Germany becomes a kind of constitutional monarchy (like, F.ex Norway, Netherlands are)
b) French / GB wins: Quite like it was, but much more harsh actions against Gy. French hegemony on Continental Europe, British on the Sea. No Versailles, no 14 points. Colonization of Germany. Ideal hotbed for Communism and Nazis.
c) draw / armistice: Back to 1905. No Communism, no Nazism. No everlasting peace, too, but that’s nothing really new: For almost 200 years there was war and peace between the 5 Euro powers, in almost any constellation. But these wars were much different, more “Clausewitzian” than the racial, worldview and *total* war of WW II.

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They were close because of the end of the war in the East and had only one front to fight on. So that would not have change the rise of Communism in Russia.
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I have no history book at hand, but wasn’t it that way (dates are out of my mind, sorry if I didn’t get them straight)?

January 1917 Gy restarts unlimited U-boat ops (knowing that this means war with the U.S.)
April 2, 1917 US declares war on Gy
April (?) 1917 Lenin leaves his Swiss exile and is going to Russia with German help and planned by the German General staff.
November 1917: Revolution in Russia
March 1918: Peace of Brest-Litovsk

Was the German decision to put a / support a revolution in Russia an answer to the desperate situation in the west after the U.S. entered the war? No “intact” Germany would have allowed Communism on its eastern border.

 

The United states never signed the Treaty of Versailles, Woodrow Wislon felt it was too harsh. And Woodrow Wilson founded the League of Nations but the United States Ironicly never Joined if im not mistaken. The Republican controlled house refused to ratify the bill that would put the US into the league.

 

Well, i haven't got any WWI history book, even if i read about Verdun many years ago (and a small but fascinating essay about gas warfare).

The Red October bolchevic revolution was in november 1917, but the first russian revolution was in february. Lenine came back to Russia april the 3rd. From mars 2nd to october 25, Russia had 3 governements!
All hostilities with Germany ceased november 26th 1917.

Yes USA entered the war in early april, but (from Britannica.com):

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Generally speaking, the efforts at mobilization went through two stages. During the first, lasting roughly from April to December 1917, the administration relied mainly on voluntary and cooperative efforts. During the second stage, after December 1917, the government moved rapidly to establish complete control over every important phase of economic life. Railroads were nationalized; a war industries board established ironclad controls over industry; food and fuel were strictly rationed; an emergency-fleet corporation began construction of a vast merchant fleet; and a war labour board used coercive measures to prevent strikes. Opposition to the war was sternly suppressed under the Espionage Act of 1917. At the same time, the Committee on Public Information, headed by the progressive journalist George Creel, mobilized publicists, scholars, and others in a vast prowar propaganda effort. By the spring of 1918, the American people and their economy had been harnessed for total war (a near miracle, considering the lack of preparedness only a year before).


America's role in the war
The American military contribution, while small compared to that of the Allies during the entire war, was in two respects decisive in the outcome. The U.S. Navy, fully prepared at the outset, provided the ships that helped the British overcome the submarine threat by the autumn of 1917. The U.S. Army, some 4,000,000 men strong, was raised mainly by conscription under the Selective Service Act of 1917; the American Expeditionary Force of more than 1,200,000 men under General Pershing reached France by September 1918, and this huge infusion of manpower tipped the balance on the Western Front and helped to end the war in November 1918, a year earlier than military planners had anticipated.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Troops from East Gy front were in active duty in the West months before american troops land in France! So Germans were not at all desperate about the West front, they actually nearly won the battles of 1918's summer. Only thing that saved the french and brits: their new not-so-secret weapon, the Tank. Combined with modern and efficient new gas tactics (the first Mustard Gas artillery shells, and how to use them to their max potential) the trench warfare was a war of the past.

 

The possibility to put a revolution on Russia was discussed by German Leadership almost earlier throughout the war.

April 2, 1917 USA declares war on Germany
April 3, 1917 Germany helps Lenin to go back to Russia

One Day. I don’t believe in too much (un-)lucky coincidences. IMHO, without the American declaration of war, there wouldn’t be a revolution in Russia by Lenin.

 

Not by Lenine, but the Tsar was already overthrown when USA entered the war.
And Germany had a lot to do with that: the war brought the Tsar down.
The first US troops arrived in France in september 1918, 18 months after the declaration of war... Small pressure.
What I'd want to know is why unlimited u-boat ops were decided, that was begging for war with USA... And in january, Russia was still fully in the war.

 

There was a very brief Russian republic though..?