What if Hitler had left Berlin at wars end where do you think he would have gone? Why

Thanks PzGdr and Erich, what I did want wit this wild post, was opinions on what could have happened.

I REALLY do think, that it would make for an excellent fiction story. Why not, a very wellknown and excellent book came out in the early 1980s called: "Blackhawk". This was a pure ww2 fiction book on the Blackhawk comic book characters.

I have not read the book in years, but if I remember right, its about a VERY fictionalized account of a one of a kind extremely huge German bomber.

All I remember is, is that Blackhawk, is the only team member to get on board that huge aircraft, and if memory serves me well, I think that it was also supposed to be sort of like a flying aircraft carrier, with fighter landing and taking off.

Am I the only one who lives for this kind of thing?? Its nice to escape reality once in awhile, tho I love that also.

I really posted this topic because I wanted to see what kind of reaction that it would get, and for a very real and possible chance, to see something like that in paperback form in the future. Just a thought anyway.

I also collect "12" figures, and just bought my first Dragon fingure today on ebay, which is of THE highest scoring Luftwaffe ace in ww2: Erich Hartmann; with 352 victories. Now if they would only come out with Adolf Galland, Hans-Ulrich Rudel, Guenther Rall and Johannes Steinhoff, I would be completely happy.

A perfect 4 pair of aces......

 

Dear Ron: Ooops, I didnt see your posting before I opened my mouth.

No need to make an apoligy, your opinion is what I want to see, after all, this is a what if?

 

Hey, C.Evans have you ever read the Luftwaffe 1946 comics they have some very good stories of what could've happened had the war gone on after 45?

 

Sorry Panzergrenadier: I quit collecting comics about 7 years ago. I have no idea who is still publishing what anymore. I finally gave up the ghost and had my belly full of all these gimmils and overpriced bagged comics with free cards and other comice with hologram stickers on their covers.

I do thank you for letting me know about them, they look like they are up my alley as what I am interested in reading now.

My problem is, is that I am soon going to try to sell off all my comic books and I will be looking for a price guide to price them and I will sell them for 1/2 price on the good stuff, and will make special collectors lots on all the other stuff.

In fact, months ago, someone mentioned that they were interested in my war comics, and I was then undecided at what I wanted to do with them, but decided its best to git rid of those too.

Not that im really trying a sales pitch for my stuff, but if interested, let me know I do appreciate the heads-up though.

 

I quit collecting 2 years ago, but I would be interested in buying any old spiderman comics if you have any. But I would like to talk more about ww2 in the near future.

 

Dear Panzergrenadier: I have a good run of Amazing Spiderman, and the other spiderman titles, and have been trying to get them back from this dealer who has then in his store but is very difficult to contact.

I do have many spiderman comics in my boxes in storage and they are all mint, but these are the early ones done bt Todd McFarlane when he started that series. I have around 200 copies of #1, about 25-50 each of #2-about #12? the problem with mu #1s is they are at my friends store and he doesnt know where he put my boxes at. I also have a F-Vf Captain America Comics #25 I think, which is printed just after ww2 ended.

I will let you know what I have as soon as i have access to them. The reason I dont have them with me, is half of my stuff went to a friends house as he was going to put them on ebay for me but never got around to it, the others went to my other friends store as part of a deal we were to have had, but fell through since he couldnt get me the items I wanted.

I also have a Spiderman Numberd Bisque statue (the first one that came out) and had the box and certificate of authenticity. Im selling that for the price I paid which is $50.00 and I will pay shipping and insurance on it. I also heve the punisher statur from the same series, in the same condition (MINT) with certificate and selling it at $50.00. If interested in either or both, I will sell both at $80.00 and pay insurance and shipping.

Let me know what you think and I will make you a good deal on either and or, the comics and statues. I also have alot of those 2 inch metal figurines too.

Definately will be looking forward to discussing ww2 with you--just let me know


Take care-yours-Carl.

 

Those are some nice issues, Nows just not a good time for me to buy some comics, because I'm putting almost all of my money into ww2 reenacting, but thanks for telling me about your comics. I will tell some of my friends who are still into it about them.

 

I appreciate that, and I will always make the best deal I can--I basically am just tired of luggig around appx 10 boxes of comics, and my car needs a "new set of shoes"

These will not be at current priceguide prices, I will sell them for up to 50% below prices, and then evan round it off a bit.

 

well, back to the topic of were Hitler would have gone. Has anyone ever heard a story about Otto Skorenzy preparing a alpine fortesst for Hitler. I memtioned it earlier but I just wanna know if anyone else has too.

 

I have heard that also, I think it was in a book by James Lucas, but he tends to "bend" the truth at many times.

Also, diehard H.J. were also supposed to be "Wherwolf Troops" and only a few really did do anything.

I read a story that two H.J. who had been cought, after stringing thin wire at neck high accross a dark road in which an American Officer was driving on in a jeep with the windshield down, and was decapitated. I think at least one was supposed to be executed, and the other recieved 2 concurring life sentences.

 

I went to border last night and I was reading the book Otto Skornazy wrote and he mentioned the alpine forttess in it, he said that he had got around 200 soldats for the place.

 

PzGdr: Sounds like an interesting book to read, tell me more, also, whats the title? I will see if Barnes and Nobles can order it.

I do know that there were units kept near the area, but I think mostly ther were Luftwaffe Flak units, and some odds and ends for security. The units most likely to be sent there would be Waffen SS units like Prinz Eugen and Florian Geyer. As it is not really ideal of an area for tank operations, I also think that Gotz von Berlichingen, and SS Sturmbrigade Langemarck, and possibly Rybkas surviving SS/Fallschirm, would be there also.

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

I think the title of the book is Otto Skornzey: My commando missons, or something really close to that, but I'm pretty sure that was it.

 

Thanks, I will see if they can order it for me. By the way you now have a purple heart.

 

Until his decision to remain in Berlin during April, the plan was for Hitler to retreat into the "National Redoubt" centered on his "nest" in the Bavarian Alps. One of the last raids carried out by the American air force during WW2 was to destroy Hitler's mountain-top house, while American troops destroyed the site completely when it was eventually occupied.
The scenery accorded well with Hitler's mentality - that is a dramatic site to mount a "last stand". His decision to stay in Berlin is difficult to understand. He had no natural empathy with Berlin and always considered Bavaria his "home". Maybe he just couldn't be bothered anymore. Certainly his will made it clear that he considered that the German people had failed to pass his test of "worthiness" and were no longer worth the effort of defending.

 

Another great post.

One would have to start thinking why Hitler stayed in Berlin that long because of his feelings which had been turned against Germany for quite awhile, especially since the 20 July plot on his life.

 

I think the answer must be that, down in his bunker, Hitler did not have to face the reality of the war. There he did not have to see the destruction raining down on Germany from the air and could go on studying his war maps and pushing around no longer existing units. No other bolt hole offered him so much protection from reality.

 

Quite true and I totally agree with you. One of Hitlers major problems was that he listened to only the people who told him what he wanted to hear.

Take Kietel and Krebs for example: Kietel, was THE laughingstock of the whole German Army, and a nickname for him was: Lakeitel, meaning: "Hitlers Lacky."

Gen Hans Krebs, was another Hitlerian butt-kisser. Krebs and Keitel, never had the peanuts, to stand up to Hitler and argue or disagree with him on anything--much unlike Heinz Guderian and Gotthard Heinrici both did. Even Gen Weidling, one of Berlins final commanding Generals, even HE, had the peanuts to argue down Hitler a time or two, which resulted in him having his way.

Weidling even "negotiated" with Hitler before accepting the position as Commadant of Berlin. Hitler siply could have Weidling shot because of that.

Major Siegfried Knappe, was one of General Weidlings aides who witnessed such events as those. By the way, for a few hours, as a Major, Siegfried Knappe became the Wehrmachts youngest Divisional commander in ww2. What happened was, General Weidling was not getting some results from one of his divisional commanders, who had also claimed he could not carry out the Generals orders to mount a counterattack, which made Weidling fly through the roof with anger, and sent Major Knappe, to take command of that division.

Major knappe, thought that was completely an out-of-hand thing to do, but he went because he could not disobey the orders from his commanding general, or else he might get shot.

Knappe made his way, through shellfire and small arms fire, and was about to accept command of that division, when its almost former commander, did finally mount a counterattack, and had some positive results.

Major Knappe, satisfied, returned to Gen Weidlings HQ, and reported that a successful action was under way by that units commander. Weidling simply "forgot" the matter of placind the Major, in charge of that unit.

That appointment would have caused an outrage in that division too, as he was outranked by a few other officers, including two Oberstleutnants, and an Oberst, not including sever senior Majors in that division.

Wierd things happen in the malestorm of fighting, during Berlins last days.

[ 22 July 2001: Message edited by: C.Evans ]

 

Erich, would you happen to know if teh 3 skulls found in Muller's grave were ever identified?

 

Interesting topic, nice it is here again!

There were several scaping plans for the Führer, the most suitable for the logistics and Hitler's desires were to hide in the Bavarian Alps. Also, there were plans to transport the Führer by submarine to Norway, South America or even Japan. But I can almost assure that he did not want to live outside his beloved Germany. But the man was already convinced of his destiny and I think that he did kill himself in the Bunker, along with his beloved Eva. He had watched some pictures of Duce's fate and surely he did not want to share it. The testimonies of the last people who saw him: his Sekrätarin (translation?), choffer and personal escort all say that he was ill and weak, melancholic and sad, but still a nice person (with them). After the wedding there was a small party and then he shot himself and Eva Braun had a cyanide Pille (translation?). Their bodies were burnt in the Bunker's yard and the Russians saw the corpses, which obviously belonged to Hitler (because of the unique dental records full of gold and special things) and a woman's. He was already too disappointed of life to go on. I don't see suitable the fact of him scaping...

But if he would have, most surely to the Alps, then he would have lead a guerrilla warfare against the Allies and some submarine campaign... But it is too weird and umprobable for me to discuss.