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"von" Ribbentrop?

Discussion in 'Prelude to War & Poland 1939' started by OpanaPointer, Mar 14, 2010.

  1. OpanaPointer

    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Did Ribbentrop ever make an attempt to have the "von" officially added to his name or did he have enough horsepower that people just went along with it?
     
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    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member

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    I don't know how "official" this makes it but I came across this
    Ribbentrop became an Oberfuehrer in the SS, was subsequently promoted to SS Gruppenfuehrer in 1938, and later became Obergruppenfuehrer. There is no question of any honorary rank. The SS went into his ancestry in detail in order to deal with the law relating to that subject. Ribbentrop was also permitted to adopt "von" as a prefix before his last name
    (Bold is mine)
    Joachim von Ribbentrop
     
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  3. OpanaPointer

    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    No clue as to who "permitted" it? Hmmmm.
     
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    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member

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    I don't know, but the way it is worded makes it sound as thought the SS sanctioned it.
     
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  5. Kruska

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    Nothing wrong with his -von-

    When Ribbentrop was around 30 years old he was adopted by a Family member - great aunt - Gerlinde? von Ribbentropp - after the addoption he was entiteled to add the -von- to his name. It is quite common for aristocratic families without a male heir to adopt relatives in order to carry on the name and title.

    Regards
    Kruska
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Sher gut! I've heard that is was totally bogus, questionable, "somewhat in doubt", and perhaps legitimate. It had started to bug me.
     
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    PzJgr Drill Instructor

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    That's what I have found as well.
     
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  8. Kruska

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    The Karl Ribbentrop a Prussian Lt. General was awarded a knighthood in 1884. He was married to Gertude von Ribbentrop who was the greataunt of Joachim Ribbentrop.
    This Karl Ribbentrop is very far related to the Intendant General Friedrich von Ribbentrop who was given a knighthood in 1823, due to their Greatgrandfathers line being the "zu Ribbentrup" who were regarded as commoners before 1823.

    As a side note: The Mother of the present German Minister for Defense, Karl-Theodor ..Freiherr von und zu Guttenberg, is Christiane Henkell-von Ribbentrop former von und zu Eltz. Her second husband is Adolf von Ribbentrop (The son of Joachim von Ribbentrop). She "Christiane Henkell-von Ribbentrop" in turn is a great niece of the Father in Law Otto Henkell, of Joachim von Ribbentrop.

    Confusing? well that's them aristocrats all the way through history

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    That's actually a typo. A little known fact is his name was RON Ribbentrop.

    Well, that's what i heard.
     
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  10. OpanaPointer

    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Can we have something that's the opposite of "Salute", please.




    :D
     
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  11. Kai-Petri

    Kai-Petri Kenraali

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    The man who was figure skating in Canada in the 1910´s? :)

    See Janet Uren's book Minto: Skating through Time for a brief description and amusing anecdote about Ribbentrop's involvement with the club. The champion figure skater Eleanor Kingsford recalled Ribbentrop’s participation in a skating competition in Boston on February 24th, 1914, remembering his "pale, watery blue eyes" and her rejection of his invitation to dance: "The most interesting memory of that trip was the snubbing of Von Ribbentrop, who being in Ottawa on some mysterious business at that time had joined our party. Even then I disliked him, and it must have been quite a shock to one of the 'master race' to have someone who dared to skip his waltz.”

    Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2009 July 18 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    sorry i thought it was funny, i stole it from a monty python sketch
     
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  13. OpanaPointer

    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    I was just kidding, of course. ;)
     
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