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My grandfather's badges/insignias-can somebody identify/confirm them?

Discussion in 'Military Service Records & Genealogical Research' started by Dapaperboy, Jun 4, 2010.

  1. Dapaperboy

    Dapaperboy recruit

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    So my grandpa uncle served from 1943-1946 in the U.S. Army. I did some research and found out on that the badge/patch on his right sleeve means he was a Technician 4th Grade but I am not sure on what else he is "wearing". Since the photo is in black-and-white, i am not sure if the star badge/patch was for the Army Service Forces or the Army Services Forces Training Centers because the only difference between the patches are the colors. I have no clue what the Iron Cross or whatever that is on his left breast pocket is or the band/stripe above it or the pins on his collar that look like they have a shield on it. If its possible, i would also like to know what division my grandpa was in.
    my grandpa:
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    sources: .Second World War Era.
    .US Army Corps & Larger - Second World War.
     
  2. LRusso216

    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member

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    The "iron cross" badge means he qualified as a Marksman, but I can't read what weapon is on the hanging bar. The two ribbons are a Good Conduct award on the left and I think the one on the right is the European-African-Middle Eastern campaign ribbon. The lapel pins seem to be Distinctive Unit Insignia, but they are hard to read. Here is a link to a site which features them. You can check to see if any match. Distinctive Unit Insignia DIs Over 1,000 to choose from My guess is that his sleeve patch is the Army Services Corps. If you can identify the DUI, it will give you a lead on his division.

    Good luck.
     
  3. Steve Petersen

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    Left breast pocket: Rifle qualification badge. The bars above it are probably awards for completion of Basic training? or Advanced training?
    Left collar: looks like the insignia for the Adjutant General Corps.
    The chevrons on his left arm would seem to indicate a rank of E5, which would make him a Tec 5, not a Tec 4?
    Above that is his unit insignia (no clue about that.)
    Noticed hash marks on left sleeve. I believe (though I may be wrong) that those may be given for periods of service (three years hash mark?) or periods in a combat zone?
     
  4. Biak

    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    Welcome to WW2f dapaperboy,
    Hang in there and someone who knows their stuff ( I don't), will be able to identify most of what you're asking for.
    See! As I was trying to write a reply Lou and Steve beat me to it.
     
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    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member

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    Nope Tech 4
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    Tech 4th Class
    United States
     
  6. Steve Petersen

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    I stand corrected. What is the pay grade?
     
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    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member

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    I think it's E-3, equivalent to a buck sergeant.
     
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    Slipdigit Good Ol' Boy Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    yes

    I would agree.
     
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    Each stripe is three years of service. Overseas service hash marks on the right sleeve, above the cuff.
     
  11. Steve Petersen

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    It looks like he as at least two hash marks on his left sleeve. If the picture was taken in 1945, he would have been in the service since at least 1939.

    This site says that overseas service bars were also worn on the left sleeve. One for each 6 months. The overseas service marks were horizontal, the time in service marks were diagonal.
     
  12. Steve Petersen

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    One of us is confused. When I was in (83-86) it was:

    Pvt - E1, no chevrons
    Pvt - E2, 1 chevron
    PFC - E3, 1 chevron, 1 rocker
    Spec 4 or Corporal - E4, Spec 4 insigina, or 2 chevrons
    Spec 5 or (Buck) Sergeant - E5, Spec 5 insignia, or 3 chevrons
    Staff Sergeant - E6, 3 chevrons, 1 rocker
    Sergeant First Class - E7, 3 chevrons, 2 rockers

    According to Wiki, this man is a Tec 4, and was addressed as 'Sergeant.' Also here.
     
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    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member

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    Well it's probably me. The site where I got the image has it as grade 3. I'll take your word for it, since I was never in the service.
     
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    I knew that....Brain fart.
     
  15. formerjughead

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    Thats a modern payscale....the military didn't start the "E" scale until the mid 50's or so.
    Up until that point you Had PVT (Grade 7), PFC (Grade 6), Corporal (Grade5)/ T-5, Sergeant (Grade 4)/T-4, Ssgt (Grade 3)/T-3, Sgt 1st Class/ Tech Sergeant (Grade 2), Master Sgt. Grade 1 etc.... They Also went in Reverse order by Grade.
    http://www.29thdivision.com/research/payscale.html
     
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  16. Steve Petersen

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    Ich verstehe.

    A Tec 4 would be the equivalent of an E5 today, for pay grade.
     
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    Correct-a-mundo!
     
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    holy s---! thanks everybody!
     

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