Help them, train them and they'll shoot you in the back

It happened in Aghaninstan on January 20th.

4 more French soldiers were shot while they were not armed and jogging in their own camp. They were shot by a Taleb wearing an Afghna army uniform and who infiltrated the Nato forces.

The scumbag was trained by the men he shot , armed by them , lived with them and then shot them in the back while they could not defend themselves. he posed as being a loyal regular Afghan soldier.

The Taleb claimed he killed them because he saw "the video of Americans disrespecting dead talibans"



This is not the first time French soldiers are killed this way. A few weeks ago two Legionaires were killed in a similar way , but their comrades shot the terrorist dead immediatly after he started his shooting.

As a result training and cooperation with the Afghan is stopped.

France threatens Afghanistan withdrawal following further deaths | New Europe
May these brave soldiers rest in peace

 

Rest in peace!

 

We can not escape the fact that weare trying to help a people stuck in the 15th century who have almost no desire to live in the 21st century.

 

I am so sorry for the loss of these men, and for their families.

 

The worse is the feeling of betrayal and the fact of being stabbed in the back by a man who was fed and trained by those he shot.

 

This political cartoon came out a while back, and focuses on US troops but the sentiment is the same.

 

This is so true....

 

Thats a bitter fact Skipper and known to us as well! To me, i would never trust any Afghan citizen, and they have no reason to be in a military camp, excapt it is a Afghan camp.

 

Nothing new about insurgents of one form or another joining the enemy forces to gain intel and training, a suicider can gain the trust and friendship of those around them, when they reveal their true colours it causes distrust and resentment. They have done their job in separating you from the local civil populace and the security forces.

Once you have been seperated and no longer trust each other there is no hope of winning.

The only time insurgents have been defeated is when the insurgents have been separated from the civil populace and the local security forces are shown they can be trusted. You win the hearts and minds. Unfortunately it is often easier for the insurgents to keep you apart.

 

The only problem with that idea is US Marines video recording themselves urinating on their fallen foes, and broadcasting it isn't "winner" in the hearts and minds area. Just dumb and counter productive.

 

a moving video that was filmed yesterday when the funeral convoy drove by. Soldiers, veterans wives, widows, mothers of a soldier, children , civilians and tourists are standing all along the way and salute the fallen , some have flags

http://lci.tf1.fr/france/faits-divers/soldats-tues-en-afghanistan-un-dernier-hommage-aux-invalides-6946636.html

the parliament also paid a tribute .

 

It plays right into the hands of the insurgents, giving them proof of the infidels lack of respect and wish to destroy all Muslim religion. I have spoke to quite a few people who stand by the actions of those Marines and say that the US should do more. They should be more terrible and make the insurgents and civilians too scared to face the US ever again.

Every act that is done justifying torture, executions, desecration to the insurgents just gives them a justification to do the same to those they are fighting against. How would the US public react if it was Taliban etc urinating on dead US troops and publishing it on Youtube. I bet those who support the US troops doing it would be up in arms about that.

 

an eye for an eye. One could expect that, but not from a so called" brother of arms".

 

My condolences to the family and loved ones of the French soldiers who were killed.

It seems to me that NATO has a serious security problem if, as the story suggests, this is happening more frequently. As for the guy who did the act, if he was a Taliban infiltrator, I doubt he did it because of the "disrespecting of the Taliban dead" video. I would guess this was something that had been planned for a while. However, the video of the Marines was clearly a propaganda boon for the Taliban, which is the main reason it was such a bad idea.

 

Yes, I'm afraid he would have done it anyway . He used the video story to justify what cannot be justified.

 

I have said before that I have little sympathy for Afghan's and Talibanians who claim that their feelings are hurt or they are offended by "our" actions, I simply do not care. They started this war because "They" were against the American ideology and our way of life. Has everyone forgotten about the beheadings on Al Jazzera? or hanging the corpses from the bridge over the Tigris?

I do not support the video and I think who ever posted it to You tube should be slapped and p*ssing on the corpses was in poor taste; it's not something "I" would do.

 

If you believe/believed in the original & ongoing war & it's aims though, what's the other option?
Not helping? Not training?
Complex stuff, but is it possible you're either 'in it', warts & all, or just 'not in it', and leaving things to fester?

Does depend on how strongly you believe in the actual cause I suppose.
I'm not sure I personally have any feelings either way these days - maybe somewhat tired of the whole grim busines... but it remains... complex.
It's not the first time it's happened, in many similar situations throughout the years, and doubtless won't be the last.

Best wishes to the families and friends of the four French lads and their wounded mates though.

~A

 

I don't always agree with this particular cartoonist, but this one does seem to hold up.

 

this is a video of the funeral convoy :
note the large amount of flag bearers and Veterans. They could have hidden the lingerie advertisment sign.

Hommage citoyen aux soldats français tués en Afghanistan - YouTube