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I really wish I understood the quantum effects better...

Discussion in 'Free Fire Zone' started by brndirt1, May 21, 2012.

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  1. Volga Boatman

    Volga Boatman Dishonorably Discharged

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    All of you make fine points on a subject that this poster understands poorly at best.

    It still does not change the fact that science is full of bright individuals who cannot earn a living in their field if they don't come up with something new or different from the mainstream. The push to garner the research dollars is the ONLY thing thats important in the minds of the participants. Making it relevant or applicable to ordinary folk, less so.

    Having said that, I suppose I sound like an anti-intellectual. Maybe the new "Square Kilometre Telescope" will, when built, give these minds some better 'hard' data to base their theorisms on. Theory is, after all, only as good as the information gathering devices you are using.

    Might Galileao have come up with something further if he had the Hubble Space Telescope to peek through, rather than the crude device he actually used?

    Truly, we stand on the shoulders of giants in this field.
     
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  2. George Patton

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    There's a difference between researchers (the stereotypical old guy in a lab coat working in the university basement surrounded by his precious microscopes) and people that make a product that uses science. Generally speaking, most researchers I know are always hungry for grants -- so you have that point right. They have their own areas of study, and concentrate on it and they are typically very good at it. They don't concentrate on whether it is relevant or applicable to the ordinary man because there are others that do that: scientists that take the theory and make it apply to everyday life (think of engineers, or specifically since we're talking about QM, Engieering Physicists). Don't get me wrong, both researchers and engineers are important. Most people cannot both research and make a product, which means that both types of scientists are needed. In general, the guys making the products are more useful in terms of results, but researchers are definetly needed.
     
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  3. Volga Boatman

    Volga Boatman Dishonorably Discharged

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    I remember reading a single panel cartoon, by a toonist obviously influenced by "The Far Side".

    It featured a view of a journalist standing up at a press conference, facing the lecturer and stating....

    "Mr Lindeman, in regard to your stance on T & B Lymphocytes, I would like to ask the following questions...Who the hell cares? Where is this getting us? Who is this for?...Why are we listening to you? and Why the hell don't you shut up and sit down?"
     
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  4. Poppy

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    "Here's the awkward bit; technically, until a "sound" is registered by vibrating our tympanium....typaniae???...the bit in our ears LMAO...there IS no sound, just a vibration in the air. Just like is isn't actually words that travel down a telephone line....remember those??? ...but actually electrical pulses until converted at the other end. In other words - there IS no sound without a creature capable of hearing receiving it! Also, a tree falling on the Moon...I know, I know...is silent because there's no medium - I.E. the air - to propagate the vibration through. A different link in the chain from fall to brain is interrupted."

    Wondering if Man evolved to hear /see in only certain spectrum's that pertain to his immediate survival? Unconsciously ignoring the stuff that was too complicated (scary), not relevant to simply surviving.
     
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  5. Biak

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    Just when you think you're catching on;
    [h=1]BaBar data may challenge key theory of how universe works[/h]
    Data collected from experiments conducted over one decade ago may lead scientists to finally reconfigure one of science’s most important scientific principles: the Standard Model of particle physics.
    Inside the BaBar experiment at the SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory, researchers say experimental data shows a certain particle decay happening at a pace far exceeding that predicted by the Standard Model.
    The data from BaBar, a high-energy physics experiment based at the U.S. Department of Energy’s (DOE) SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory, show that a particular type of particle decay called “B to D-star-tau-nu” happens more often than the Standard Model predicts.

    “The excess over the Standard Model prediction is exciting,” said BaBar spokesperson Michael Roney of the University of Victoria in Canada. “But before we can claim an actual discovery, other experiments have to replicate it and rule out the possibility this isn’t just an unlikely statistical fluctuation.”
    “If the excess decays shown are confirmed, it will be exciting to figure out what is causing it,” said BaBar physics coordinator Abner Soffer, associate professor at Tel Aviv University. “We hope our results will stimulate theoretical discussion about just what the data are telling us about new physics.”
    While the data is far from new, the latest experimental results are a longtime coming. The BaBar experiment observed particle collisions from 1999 to 2008, but the large amount of data collected during the time has left physicists to analyze the data piece by piece.
    Researchers continue to apply BaBar data to a variety of questions in particle physics. The data collected by the experiment remains one of the most important data collections in the field of physics, and it is seen as invaluable for researchers.
    The data, for instance, has raised more questions about Higgs bosons, which arise from the mechanism thought to give fundamental particles their mass. Higgs bosons are predicted to interact more strongly with heavier particles – such as the B mesons, D mesons and tau leptons in the BaBar study – than with lighter ones, but the Higgs posited by the Standard Model can’t be involved in this decay.
    The team noted that an upcoming experiment could lead to confirmation of their findings, setting the stage for further research into the odd findings, possibly upending the Standard Model itself. If the Belle experiment at the Japanese high-energy physics laboratory KEK replicates the finding, “the combined significance could be compelling enough to suggest how we can finally move beyond the Standard Model,” said researchers.
    Researchers from the team presented their findings at the 10th annual Flavor Physics and Charge-Parity Violation Conference in Hefei, China, and detailed them in a paper submitted to the journal Physical Review Letters.

    BaBar data may challenge key theory of how universe works | The Bunsen Burner
     
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  6. Victor Gomez

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    I now know why listening to opera and looking at opera star, Angela Georghiu has better occupied my time of recent....I will gladly defer the ba ba ba stuff or in this case the babar stuff to those who cultivate such an interest (sheepsters probably).....as although I was a mechanic, I do not think I got into any quantum mechanics.
     
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  7. GRW

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    You think that's confusing?:confused:
    "Ring-like patterns in the sky could be ghostly imprints of a universe that existed before the big bang, according to a controversial new study.
    If the theory is correct, the cosmic rings may be the first real-world evidence that our current universe is just the latest in an endless string of recycled universes, the study authors say. (Related: "Universe Reborn Endlessly in New Model of the Cosmos.")
    Astronomers found the circular patterns in a new analysis of the cosmic microwave background (CMB), which is the radiation left over from the big bang that now permeates the universe.
    Within the newly described rings, many of which are nested like ripples in a pond, the temperature is more uniform than elsewhere in the CMB sky. (See pictures of other odd rings and spirals in space.)
    One possible explanation for these rings is that they were created when black holes collided in a previous universe, according to Roger Penrose of the University of Oxford in the U.K. and Vahe Gurzadyan of the Yerevan Physics Institute in Armenia."
    Space Circles Are Proof of a Pre-Big Bang Universe?
     
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  8. Biak

    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    Before you know it we'll be back to the "Steady State Theory".
     
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  9. spark802

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    Hey guys, try watching these little "minute physics" that are posted on You Tube. The young fellow that has created them has made them short and sweet and has them illustrated. There are about 40 of them i think, and i have posted the one concerning "Quanta".

    Dave Albert Einstein: Why Light is Quantum - YouTube
     
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  10. Poppy

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    K.I.S.S...Just the way I like (need) it.
     
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