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Greatest British Battles?!

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  1. GRW

    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    A bit subjective!

    "The twin Second World War clashes of Imphal and Kohima have been named as the greatest ever battle involving British forces.

    The two victories over the Japanese, which took place in the same region of North West India over the same period in 1944, were voted the winner of a contest run by the National Army Museum to identify "Britain's Greatest Battle".
    Taken as a single victory, Imphal-Kohima was on a shortlist of five battles which topped a public poll and on Saturday, they were selected as the ultimate winner by an audience of more than 100 guests at a special event at the museum, in Chelsea, west London. Imphal-Kohima received almost half of all votes.




    In second place was D-Day and Normandy, in 1944 (25 per cent), ahead of Waterloo, in 1815, (22 per cent), Rorke’s Drift, during the Zulu War in 1879 (three per cent), and Aliwal, during the First Sikh War in 1846 (two per cent).


    At the event, each contender had their case made by a historian giving a 40 minute presentation. The audience, who had paid to attend the day, then voted in a secret ballot after all five presentations had been made.


    The case for Imphal and Kohima was made by Dr Robert Lyman, an author and Fellow of the Royal Historical Society."
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/10008053/Second-World-War-clashes-named-as-Greatest-British-Battle.html
     
  2. LRusso216

    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member

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    I agree that this is VERY subjective. A more proper headline might be that these battles rated number one among these who had paid their money, and voted based on presentations made by scholars. I guess that wouldn't sell many papers, though.

    Good reading, nonetheless.
     
  3. GRW

    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    What really got me were the comments at the bottom; some twat wanted to know why Crecy & Agincourt weren't included because apparently England (ie Britain) was "a nation state" at the time!
     
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    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member

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    I try not to read the comments, since they usually add nothing to understanding the article. I went back and read some - I was right.
     
  5. GRW

    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    Take a virtual like, Lou.
     
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    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member

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    Thanks, Gordon. I'll take anything I can get.
     
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    A-58 Cool Dude

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    Ruling out air and sea battles seemed a bit much. Were the people who voted historians, or just people who filled seats and got their history lessons from TV?
     
  8. efestos

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    I guess I miss anything. What about BLENHEIM? ....
     
  9. urqh

    urqh Tea drinking surrender monkey

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    I posted a thread allowing us to vote a few months ago....That does not seem right...The public including me voted for what they thought was greatest battle and then its ignored and some acedemics then say what was the greatest battle...Why have a public vote in the first place...?
     
  10. belasar

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    Well at least it got people talking :)
     
  11. Brian Smith

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    As with most issues where a public vote decides an issue we end up with a decision that only a minority want. In this case as already mentioned it is a very subjective but also as given by such a small group totally meaningless.

    Brian
     
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    urqh Tea drinking surrender monkey

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    ONLINE VOTING RESULTS

    #

    Battle

    Votes

    1

    Waterloo

    365

    2

    Aliwal

    362

    3

    D-Day/Normandy

    357

    4

    Rorke's Drift

    168

    5

    Imphal/Kohima

    164

    6

    Musa Qala

    161

    7

    El Alamein

    156

    8

    Naseby

    121

    9

    Somme

    85

    10

    Blenheim

    73

    11

    Goose Green

    65

    12

    Quebec

    60

    13

    Culloden

    57

    14

    Imjin River

    57

    15

    Lexington/Concord

    48

    16

    Plassey

    45

    17

    Megiddo

    44

    18

    Gallipoli

    40

    19

    Balaklava

    39

    20

    Salamanca

    37

    And we get imphal/Kohima as the winner...Why have a public vote at all...Yes it is subjective...but why open it to public if you intend to ignore them and put your own first...
     
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    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    That's pretty interesting. It means the entire poll was therefore meaningless and effectively an ego trip for someone.
     
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    urqh Tea drinking surrender monkey

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    I'd have gone for Spion Kop...but we don't like to advertise those sort of endings...Or even Iswandlahna over Rourkes Drift. Classic defeats...
     
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    A-58 Cool Dude

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    ...Or even Iswandlahna over Rourkes Drift. Classic defeats...


    Yes, but they made great movies though.
     
  17. 26delta

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    It must have been a government-run poll. They never listen to the voters, anyway.
     
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    urqh Tea drinking surrender monkey

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    Its not the battle...my own grandad fought there...Its the voting...It was open to a public vote...it did not win the public vote...the decision was made by others...why have the public vote in that case? All the battles are subjective...I went for Goose Green purely for infantry fighting rather than greatest I suppose where strategy and world influence mattered...But the public vote did not go to Kohima did it...
     
  20. GRW

    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    I agree, there wasn't much bloody point having a public vote.
    Welcome to the forms btw rbhatto, thanks for the article.
     

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