I am sick of it and i had to come here to talk to some sane people.

It seems where ever i go, Be it Facebook or Outside about half of my Generation i am 18 by the way seem to think that the World may have been a better place if the Axis won ww2. When i question this they just say i have been brain washed and am only looking at it one sided. Then they go on to say how Bad Britain is and America. I tell them about the war crimes. They still deny it and say how would you know what the world would have turned out like. I think most of my Generation can be so disrespectful as they have no been taught enough about the war at school and are born so long after it. So they do not see it as a big thing and it annoys me so much. Rant over and yes i do respect German soldiers very much who fought in the war

 

Welcome on this forum. Tell them that that if the Axis had won, that "half" would not have any freedom of speech in the first place.

 

The majority of 18 yrs old in both countries would not know what the Axis was.

 

If the Axis had won you would not be around to post this drivel.
You and all you love would have gone to the gas chambers along with all non-Aryans.

 

Welcome to the forums!
My kids might have grown up bored stiff listening to me going on and on about the war, but there were occasions they could tell their teachers a thing or two.

 

Unfortunately, being anti-American is "the thing" nowadays. It's incredibly sad. However, I don't think the pendulum will swing back the other direction anytime soon. We better brace ourselves for more of the same.

That being said, my teenage daughter certainly knows the horrors committed by the Third Reich.

America isn't perfect, but it's still the best country in the world, IMO.

 

That's a tough statement and one that will often get arguments on both sides. A lot (though I don't have a number), did see the atrocities committed by German soldiers. A lot of the SS soldiers were flat out mean spirited. A number of non SS were as well. Regardless, most denied they knew what was going on. For the most part that is BS. Many civilians knew as well. Were they in a difficult position? Of course. I know of real life WW2 vets that would about take you apart for that statement.

As far as what would the world look like...no way to tell. Would Germany have even been able to hold on to their own country? What is a defeat to the Axis? The mainland being mostly conquered. Britain and China conquered? The US? We can't even control areas of US cities today, how could anyone have controlled the US populace for any length of time?

Look at Vietnam. Is the average citizen worse off today because the North conquered the south? Cambodia today? Certainly in the few years following.

What might have been is really hard to say. It really is.

You also need to look at where they are coming from. Just a kid bad mouthing and saying what their parents are complaining about? Or a person who has relatives in Iraq? Tens of thousands died in the chaos following Hussein's fall and now we have ISIS. Would ISIS be their if Hussein was there?

I would look at their motives. Myself, I do wonder why you stuck in the comment about German soldiers. PFC Sherman of the 327 would about take you to pieces verbally over saying something like that. He's 91.

Other thoughts...if the AXIS had won and the bomb hadn't been dropped would we have had a full scale nuclear war by now? Interesting question.

 

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That's funny. I'm a certified school teacher and have taught at three different schools and my kids have gone to another. If anything they get a lot of rah rah rah about the US especially in re to veterans and the military. Sorry, but your spatting a bunch of jargon. Your contempt for your generation is unfounded. I have 6 kids in that generation. One is soon going to be a Captain. Who do you think has been doing most of the dying in Afghanistan and Iraq? It's YOUR generation. Older generations were also Anabaptists (if you know what that is). They were also the generation that allowed Japanese American internment and separation of races in the military.

We haven't had a WW in several generations. It was the older generations that gave us WWI and WWI all fought within 25 years of each other. Go back to 1990 and there haven't been any.

I admire WW2 vets. I even wrote a book about several of them (one in particular) that was the publisher's best seller that year. My dad was a WW2 vet. My uncle was too. He was a Colonel in Korea that had to fight his way back to south Korea. Another uncle has a purple heart from Vietnam These guys were normal young men, just like today. Different technology though.

It will be a sad day when the older guys are completely gone. Time marches on. Another generation rises up. Today's young people are no different.

I suspect your rant is a little different than you portray. You really admire German soldiers like US soldiers or others? Really?

 

No actually, I don't, my rant had nothing to do with admiration for the German army of WW2(I am fully aware of the crimes committed by the Wehrmacht, and I am not one of those people who worships the Germans!), I was talking about my generation, that is all, but if my rant offended then I'm sorry and I'll take back what I said about my generation, but do not make preconceived assumptions about my post.

 

You can't in public come on and rage about a generation (especially one spilling most of the current war blood) and not expect opinions to be formed. I still don't understand the German soldier position why you rant about the generation currently serving.

I suggest you study a bit harder about the Vietnam War generation as well as US sentiment (especially rural) during WW1 and to a lesser extent WW2 (especially before Pearl Harbor). I would actually prefer my oldest wasn't serving. I would prefer we weren't involved in Iraq and Afghanistan, but that doesn't make me a scoundrel about my nation.

When I was teaching, one of my students was really mouthy and yelled at me something about being tired of teachers telling him what to do. He said then, "I'm so tired of teachers telling me what to do, I'm joining the Army!" He ended up in the Gulf War.

 

My rant wasn't meant against those serving in the armed forces, it was against those individuals of my generation who disrespect this country and its military, fine I should've worded my post better, I didn't mean to come off as completely broad brushing my age group. I also understand that not everyone who opposed our past and present wars were/are unpatriotic, I should note that I do have misgivings about Iraq myself, though I'm more supportive of Afghanistan(but not a fan of the nation-building business, though, and I prefer our soldiers coming home now.), since Al-Qaeda used the country as a base of operations when 9/11 happened, with the Taliban providing them safe haven and refusing to hand over Bin Laden, but really, where exactly does my original post contain ranting against current members of the the military, as well as displays of "admiration" for the German soldiers of WW2, your accusations are unfounded and merely attempts to incite a flame war, so I will not reply to you anymore, nor will I participate in this thread any further, good day to you!

 

As always, there is the good and bad of each generation, and those that you see the most of will certainly bias your opinion on the good/bad issue.


Just a few tidbits...

Right there is a flat-F student, and that is only because the scale does not go any lower. He does not like teachers telling him what to do, so he joined the army, where almost every one will be telling him what to do. Out of the frying pan, into the fryer. Hope it worked out well for him.

One could credible argue that it was those generations that gave us nuclear weapons, and that is why we have had no more World Wars.

I would also add the Civil War - Copperheads and The Knights of the Golden Circle

 

Takao,

I know the student came back. Not sure how he fared. When he said that I laughed when he expected me to get mad. He asked why I laughed. I suggested his statement was pretty...stupid, though that's not the word I used.

I've studied the Soviet Union quite a bit and have traveled the area quite a bit. A WW would have likely been fought with the Soviets. The system wasn't as idealistic as it was a bunch of paranoid people who got to the top. The weren't into world conquest as much as they were preservation. Luckily they never got triggered, but the 70s middle east fight and some things back when they invaded Afghanistan came sort of close.

I personally would not want to live in a nation without those who challenge the status quo.

 

Takao, not to rev up the Ukraine thread, but Ukraine has historically with the exception of Bandera, has been an example of a nation and people that will put up with about any abuse or lack of those who dissent against the rulers. They put up of course with the Soviets and then Kuchma and Yanukovich and to a degree Yushenko and the Gas Princess. That's why I fail to understand exactly what is going on without outside prodding from multiple sources.

For USS Washington, seriously try and listen to those who disagree with you. You will learn things even if you'll never agree. I'm assuming that some of the US trash talking you speak of is real. We as a nation should never accept blind leadership and direction. Major policy decisions should be weighed and even challenged.

 

Well, I hope he made out all right. I know a couple of guys that the army straightened out, conversely, I also know some that it only made worse.

There were a few times that we came close...Cuban Missile Crisis, Able Archer 83, Black Brant Scare, and likely a few we don't know about yet. Thankfully, cooler heads have always prevailed.

Salute worthy...Because, that is what makes the world go 'round.

 

Don't worry about that...It, unfortunately, became arguing just for the sake of arguing.

But, that is what I have been gathering. Now, and this is just my uniformed opinion, I believe that it started out with good intentions and had Ukraine been left to it's own devices, probably would have turned out all right. However, it quickly became a political game between the US & Russia. Thus, we have the mess we have. Each side believing that they are right and the other is wrong, and no one is willing come to a compromise.

 

it's just a case of people feeling down with some current situation and they can't help but look back in search of better understanding or perspective. it's not always done well, as this picture posted by white pridists demonstrates. it's controversial and likely offensive. i leave it to the mods to take action on this post of mine: