Human catastrophe

So the UK is incapable of building new homes? Or just affordable new homes people want to live in?

There are 1 million empty properties in the UK....

600,000 homes lie empty in England, alone.

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/feb/11/powers-empty-houses-ignored-empty-dwelling-management

 

I nominate New Zealand for the world's refugees. Clear off all those sheep and make room for housing and coffee shops and mosques.

As for the US, we've got our own economic refugee crisis from the south. At least ours (for the most part) have a work ethic and a cultural affinity with us. We don't need any from the middle east, thank you very much.

The middle east is all former European colonies so I think they, more than anyone, should step up and deal with it. Not by taking in refugees, but by bombing the crap out of all the Jihadis and arming the moderates - the Kurds in particular.

 

In case you hadn't noticed, we're in recession. Where does the money to build enough council homes for rent come from?
Many of those properties lying empty will be obsolete housing stock from the Sixties- or even before- that isn't up to modern standards and is due for demolition.
And that's another problem; younger people want newbuild houses, and they want them now. They're not interested in old ones, or having to wait, because apparently the world owes them a living.
It takes time to build houses, and you don't just plant them in the middle of nowhere with no shops, schools or transport links. It doesn't all just magically appear overnight.
Again, we're not America. We don't have thousands of acres of wild, untamed land just sitting there doing nothing. We haven't been self-sufficient in food since before WW1, so building on Green Belt and agricultural land is usually the last resort.
We also don't have a tax base of several hundred million people to fund everything.
Brown Belt (former industrial land)? Usually the preferred option, but it usually needs decontaminated to begin with and is also a finite source.
Bringing in even more people before we can adequately house those already here is a recipe for an even bigger disaster.

 

I think you been out in the sun too long. 'Cause you've not seriously thought that sentiment through.

Murray Abraham was born on October 24, 1939, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Of Syrian and Italian ancestry.

Shakira Isabel Mebarak Ripoll was born on February 2, 1977, in Barranquilla, Colombia. With a Lebanese father and Colombian mother.

Teri Hatcher is half Welsh, Half Syrian.

Steve Jobs was half Syrian, half German.

I could go on....

 

A recession? Seriously? A nation pumping up Oil, and reputedly one of the Financial capitals of the world? That reeks of financial mismanagement.

It's not that there isn't money, it's a matter of priorities. Just say it.

£6.2 Billion for two QE2-class aircraft carriers... Add some F-35B at 100 million USD each...

The 1 million houses, that are empty, are actually standing on land, I believe. In communities.

Europe has been ignoring the refugee crisis for nearly a decade now, so how much more time do you need?

 

We have a thriving Muslim community, but we're full up. Don't need any more.

If we take anybody in, we'll take our neighbors from the south.

As I said though, New Zealand would be perfect. Plenty of space, great social welfare benefits to take care of the majority who will refuse to work. What could be better?

 

Now aint that mighty fine n' dandy attitood...

Or do you have some evidence showing the majority will refuse to work?

 

1) "Pumping out oil"?! "MORE than 5,500 North Sea jobs have disappeared in the past year due to the slump in the price of oil"

http://www.express.co.uk/scotland/594207/north-sea-oil-jobs-scotland
2) There isn't money. We don't have money trees in everyone's back yard.
3) Leaving ourselves defenceless isn't an answer.
4) A lot of those empty houses will be obsolete stock not fit for habitation; a lot of councils are currently demolishing housing stock only constructed in the '60s, because they fail to meet modern standards.
5) We've been doing our bit as far as taking people in goes. Again, we're not America; we don't have unlimited space-
http://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/settlement-uk

 

Google up some of the European unemployment stats on the subject. Here's the UK:

These don't look like good productive candidates for immigration when they are 400% more likely to sit on the dole than the native citizens. Then again, since you feel otherwise I don't understand why you keep ignoring my New Zealand suggestion.

 

1) You're still generating more wealth from Oil, than say, Sweden. What happens to it, and how it is spent, is something else.

2) Nobody has money trees. Yet other much smaller countries take in far more Asylum seekers...

3) "Defenceless" as in how the UK is now, without the aircraft carriers? Please explain this line of thought further?

4) Many of those empty houses can be refurbished to an acceptable standard. Perhaps not the entire million. Doing so would also generate jobs....

5) Hardly. 17191 asylum seekers in the UK in 2014, compares poorly with 31,220 granted asylum in Sweden in the same year. A population 1/6th the size of the UK, an economy (in GDP) 1/5th the size, and suffering from similar "housing shortages".

http://www.migrationsverket.se/English/About-the-Migration-Agency/Facts-and-statistics-/Statistics.html

 

There is no refugee crisis, but an immigration crisis .

 

Don't see anything that looks like a majority in that chart..... That is amazing bad graph you've googled up. Not sure exactly what it is supposed to telling us.


Because asylum seekers aren't dying on the beaches of New Zealand... When they start applying to go there, we take them seriously. Most don't. Because not even NZ:ers want to be in NZ. It's too god-damn far away from anywhere. We can't even get Ozzies to migrate to NZ, and they've got Tony Abbott.

 

It is questionable /unproved that the child died during the crossing from Turkey to Greece

 

Now there, it isn't about space it's about costs in social welfare. And let's face it, it's about cultural differences. It's about demands to change our (and your) way of life to accommodate theirs. France has had a particular mess with this - riots, thousands of cars burned, violence. A few years ago they banned women wearing bags over their heads, which in the west is a clear violation of human rights. The backlash from a simple rule like that was tremendous. Who needs that?

You'll notice that the Saudis, Kuwait, UAE isn't taking any. That should tell everyone something.

 

Good - send them all to New Zealand.

 

True, but there needs to be space before housing can be built.
We're an island. I don't want to see the place turn into the Star Trek episode The Mark of Gideon.

 

Now aint that some typical 'mercan hospitality fer ya'all.

 

Here's a better graph:



45% Muslims are "inactive", as are 40% Christians... and 39% Jews.

 

Oh really? I bet you have some special information about this matter too. Why wouldn't you share that for us all?

 

1) Says who?
2) A lot of people seem to need convincing otherwise.
3) If you're not going to upgrade your armed forces, then yes, you ARE effectively defenceless.
4) And you're going to write a cheque so the government doesn't need to spend the money, are you? Because that's the only way it would happen in the real world.
5) Where in that link are you supposedly getting those figures for the UK from, because all I can see is data relating to Sweden?