Human catastrophe

I fully agree.

 

As you probably (should) know, there were only few thousand Jews living in Palestine before the first Jewish immigration wave at the end of 1800's. There were also Jews living everywhere else in the Ottoman Empire, but that is irrelevant.

Those who came later, settled mainly in towns, but some also bought land. Until 1948 only abt 6-7 % of Palestine land was owned by the Jews - all the newcomers included. The Palestinian Arabs owned almost half.

The Palestinian Arabs staying or not staying in the area occupied by Israel was mostly not a choice, but the result of either being killed or not, either being forced to leave or not.

Your classification of citizenship is not the one the UN uses. As you once again should have known, new countries were born and citizenships formed. Naturally the Palestinian Arabs should have received their true citizenship - of independent Palestine.

Except that in the Balkans the majorities expelled the minorities, which were the citizens of neighboring enemy countries. In Palestine the foreign minority from far away countries expelled the local majority. Naturally those expelled minorities in the Balkan countries should be able to return too, if they so choose.

It also seems, that you as a citizen of a country, which only wages war abroad, can't really understand the reality and the sufferings of the people, who are actually the targets of war and are living in the middle of it.

Once again: the Palestinians are not Jordanians nor Egyptians - nor should they obtain some foreign citizenship.

Except in Tunisia. Also I would not call the leader of Jordan as a "corrupt and evil despot". Neither would I call the leaders of Lebanon as "evil despots", despite of the continued difficulties in the country.

In ALL Arab countries? EVERY day? Please check your medication...

 

And there were Jewish pogroms against the Arabs before and after too. The point is, that it all started with the racist ideas and behavior of the immigrating Jews.

 

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The racist Jews , yes :and tomorrow he will tell us the story of the Protocols of the Elders of Sion .

 

The racists are found in the Muslim world : those who are saying that the Jews are descending from apes ,those who are claiming that they will dominate the world and will make slaves of the non Muslims as the terrorists in Nigeria are doing .

 

Here's a map of the Ottoman Empire. Do you see an administrative district called Palestine? No, you don't. It's part of what the Ottomans called Syria. So, anyone living there would be a Syrian. Or more lately, a Jordanian or Egyptian since parts were annexed by those states. But neither Syria, Jordan or Egypt will allow those people in.

The actual data for Jews is that they made up 3.7% of the Ottoman population in 1917 when it collapsed, but got only 0.2% in the partition in 1947. When attacked, they expanded to 0.3% - for people representing 3.7% of the Ottoman population. The Jews got screwed, but they're satisfied with what they got.

The Arabs and other groups got 99.8% of the land, but they are angry about it.

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What does the Administrative boundaries of the Ottoman Empire have to do with whatever identity local people aspire to?

The Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem (Ottoman Turkish: Kudüs-i Şerif Mutasarrıflığı‎‎), also known as the Sanjak of Jerusalem was an Ottoman district with special administrative status established in 1872. The district encompassed Jerusalem as well as Gaza, Jaffa, Hebron, Bethlehem and Beersheba. During the late Ottoman period, the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem, together with the Sanjak of Nablus and Sanjak of Acre, formed the region that was commonly referred to as "Southern Syria" or ....(drum roll)..... "Palestine".

Here is an administrative map of Iraq.... Where is Kurdistan?

 

The propaganda from the Muslim lobby is not more what it was (and it was not much)

 

340 BC: Aristotle, Meteorology, "Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink, this would bear out what we have said. They say that this lake is so bitter and salt that no fish live in it and that if you soak clothes in it and shake them it cleans them."

150 BC: Polemon of Athens, Greek Histories, quoted by Eusebius of Caesarea in Praeparatio Evangelica: "In the time [reign] of Apis son of Phoroneus a part of the Egyptian army was expelled from Egypt, who took up their abode not far from Arabia in the part of Syria called Palestine"

2 AD: Ovid, Ars Amatoria: "the seventh-day feast that the Syrian of Palestine observes"

And so on throughout history since before 300 BC. It appears the region in question bore the name Palestine if not formally, then at least in wide enough common usage to be acceptable in writings and books for more than 2300 years.

 

Every nation on this globe has their borders defined by military action at some point in its history, Israel is no exception. When these changes occur some population ends up on the wrong end of the stick.

 

It's a question of nationality.

No Palestine on the map. Sorry. The term Palestine comes from the Hebrew word Peleshet, or "Philistine" as it became anglicized. It refers to people living there before the Hebrews carved out Israel, and living all around it after they did so. The Philistines were not Muslim, did not speak Arabic and died out as an entity long ago. The term Palestine didn't come into common usage until the British mandate. And guess what, "Palestine" referred to what is now Israel AND Jordan. The only problem is that Jordan won't let their own people back into the country. They walled them out.

 

No Kurdistan on the map; therefore, no Kurds. Tell that to the Kurds.

Anglicised, as in used by the Greeks and Romans before Christ.... that's a good one. Though the definite origins of the word "Palestine" have been debated for years and are still not known for sure, the name is believed to be derived from the Egyptian word Peleshet....

Walling out, wasn't done either, as explained previously.

 

I believe that it is actually the Egyptian word "Peleset", Hieroglyphic examples of which have been found dating back to the reign of Ramses III(roughly 1200BC - 1100BC).
https://books.google.com/books?id=i9xyiuFoE84C&pg=PA202&lpg=PA202&dq=%22Peleset%22,+hieroglyphs&source=bl&ots=SRnN3cLDbv&sig=BB28PMRztzPzG-xs48lL47MwAqo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDkQ6AEwBmoVChMItcqHzLnwyAIVAnc-Ch2z2g4j#v=onepage&q=%22Peleset%22%2C%20hieroglyphs&f=false

 

Hmmm...

This site goes into great detail about Israeli racism against Africans: http://www.davidsheen.com/racism/
However, not once does it mention the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

 

BS. They are not recognized as Jordanian or Egyptian citizens any longer.

Perhaps, but for a people who no longer exist. Peleset, the Philistines, the Palestinians lived thousands of years ago, spoke a language that no longer exists and followed a religion that would have them burned alive by Muslims in present day Syria.

Kurds are an actual people with their own language and history. "Palestinians" are a jumble of people of different cultures whose brethren live across an invisible line in Egypt, Jordan and Syria.

Umm yeah, glad that's not common elsewhere.

 

"BS".... Talk about eloquence.

 

Mainly because it was proven to be a forgery over a century ago-
http://archive.adl.org/education/curriculum_connections/the-protocols/supplements/student-reading-on-the-protocols.pdf

 

You got it.

Shame LJAd hasn't...

 

More on David Sheen here-
http://www.jpost.com/Blogs/The-Warped-Mirror/David-Sheen-knows-what-it-takes-to-demonize-Israel-379522

http://blog.camera.org/archives/2014/10/how_david_sheen_lies_about_isr.html