1/3 of Holocaust Survivors

Very unaware of these statistics. Very disturbing. Especially as many of these men and women have no means, educational opportunities and family to rely on.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/27/us/holocaust-survivor-poverty/index.html

 

Huh?

I think my record on this forum speaks for itself. Never in my years here have I ever used "clickbait" to draw attention to a website or advertisement for personal gain.

The article is regarding that 1/3 of US Holocaust survivors are poor and in need.

"Clickbait is a pejorative term describing web content that is aimed at generating online advertising revenue, especially at the expense of quality or accuracy, relying on sensationalist headlines..." - Wiki Def.

 

Why do those people live in the US, not in Israel where healthcare is free?
That man, Jose Urbach is a Polish citizen - in Poland people like him receive pensions and free healthcare.
Poland has had "Obamacare" since 1934 anyway.

 

So there (taking my ball and going home)

 

I can certainly fix that

 

You should not confuse holocaust survivors with the state of Israel. The holocaust and what happened to those who died or survived should be remembered forever. However Israel is a rogue state that needs controlling rather than revering as seems the case.

 

It is the only functioning constitutional and democratic state in that area. Nor does it sponsor terrorism, unlike some other countries in the region. Its government is not always in the right, but then neither is the British government always in the right. If Israel is a rogue, then I must wonder about your definitions of both rogue and non-rogue states.

 

Well...

Those in the video are living in NYC, which is very well-known for it's high cost of living. So, $18,000 there is not the same as $18,000 in a rural or small town/city in the United States.

For instance, in the 1990's, I was paying $550 a month to rent a house in Lancaster, PA. My sister and her two roommates, who was living in Brooklyn, at the time, were paying $2,100 a month.

Somehow...I am thinking moving is not the answer for these Holocaust survivors of NYC. IF it was as simple as that, they would have already done so.

 

IMO there is no such a thing as a "rogue state", only bad and worse ones, I might save the Swiss and some Nordic countries but even they do things I find morally questionable. The term was invented quite recently to deligittimize hostile regimes but is basically meaningless.

Getting to details:
As far as I'm aware Israel doesn't have a constitution.
Democtatic? their policies towards the Palestinians are too much those of apartheid South Africa, , with which Israel had extremely close ties, to fit my idea of democracy, South Africa was "democratic" if you looked just at the whites, and hugely more advanced than its neighbours.
As to terrorism .... I often drive by the "new" British embassy in Rome, guess who blew up the old one ? And as they elected a former terrorist they obviously have no issues with those tactics as long as it's them doing it.

Add their nuke programme, it's is legal, as they are not signatories of the NPT, but it morally justifies any attempts by neighbouring states to acquire nukes too.

What happenned with the holocaust was horrible, but it does not justify anything Israel does as some people seem to believe.

BTW I also have very little sympathy for the Palestinian leadership, but that's another story.,

Back on the original topic, I believe the survivors got a lot of help, including some significant "guilt money" from the Germans, though no amount of aid will repair the damage that was done to them so I find it quite believable that a signficant percentage failed to be successful in a highly competitive society. But what is the percentage of "poor" for comparable groups like WW2 veterans?

And allow me a cheap shot, 10% of the money that goes as military aid to Israel would be more than enough to solve that problem.

 

As with many things in the Middle East, it's more complicated than 'yes or no'.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/constitution-of-israel

 

Totally agree with that, the Middle East is very complex mess.

BTW as a Roman citizen for me any laws that's not set down in stone, paper will do only in an emergency, is too volatile to guarantee consistent application.

http://droitromain.upmf-grenoble.fr/Anglica/twelve_Johnson.html

 

Or anywhere else for that matter. There is no written British Constitution either and the Constitution of Italy and the United States enabled the elections of Berlusconi and Trump respectively...so you gets what you pays for.

 

Cannot and will not join in hating Israel.

 

Stupid trollish remark made to inflame and irritate, is uncomprehensibly stupid.

Why would anyone live anywhere else than Poland?!? All those Auschwitz survivors with such happy, happy memories of Poland...

 

No one is asking you to hate Israel. Just recognize that it is not innocent of atrocities against others in its drive for expansion and domination of the area. Whilst so called world powers just protect them and stand back and let them get with it.

Those who died in the holocaust would spin in their graves if they knew what was being done in their name.

 

Well, I didn't demand they all return to Auschwitz and dwell there indefinitely.

There are about 100,000 Polish Jews born still alive. They all entitled to old age pension. They don't have to return or even leave their place of residence for this.
And to a Polish passport, which gives them free healthcare - although they shouldn't be too enthusiastic about it.


And then despite the Holocaust Survivor title, about 80% of them never saw Holocaust, a Nazi or even a German soldier. They all spent the war in the USSR, a shitty place - but the living conditions there were no different than the rest of the population.
Actually they were better because they were somewhat protected, first by the Polish Government, and later by Stalin's desire to use the Poles and Jews in the USSR as tools in creating his new toy, the Polish People's Republic.

The rest mostly survived in hiding somewhere in Poland, so they never saw any concentration camp either. Many worked in work camps and armaments factories, and survived thanks to that.