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  1. Mutant Poodle

    Mutant Poodle New Member

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    Look I don't know what place you are from, in the USA, or what you have been doing over you life span but this is common knowledge that the USA installed their Sha, you know the one that was exiled to the USA; the one with the solid gold toilet seat on his persoanl jet liner.
    This has been repeated over and over with many documentaries in the issue of American influence in Iran. Ask somebody from Iran they all know, they were there.
    Well we all know what happened in Panama with their president don't we, all about the control of drugs and the CIA removing a problem and destroying the evidence of their dealings with the drug Cartels.
    El Salvador and Columbia still have civil wars going on and the USA is very very involved. How do I know this I talk to the refugeees that have decided to uproot their entire families an immigrate to Canada becaise of this.
    Lets see what was the one with Agusto Penochet of Chile where the USA assasinated the legaly elected, by democratic vote, socialist government.
    Well the USA can't have that can they, hell no. Even Margret Thatcher tried to eliminate any trail of that monster.
    I met several refugee families that migrated to New Zealand any gave me a detailed version of what and who did what to Chile.
    The majority of the visibly popular, highly educated minds were taken from their homes at night, because that is what cowards do, and eliminated all those that may be considered trouble makers to the state.

    I dare you to proove me wrong, proove the people that lived in these countries wrong. I request your reference materials to I can then go to all of them and say see, even though you lost family and friends, and did live there yourselves that you don't know what you're talking about. Not!

    Here go to this web site and take a look, if your not completely disgusted by the events then I cant help you. Sorry.

    http://www.trentu.ca/~mneumann/pinochet.html

    When it comes to Iran and Iraq the Americans to punish Iran then back Saddam Hussein because they need influence in the region, the enemy of their enemy must be their friend, as the saying goes.
    I think 30,000 gased Kurdish people might think differently.
    Now that Iraq is under domination by the USA I wonder who is next, will Iran become the new friend of the USA if it tows the line on American foriegn policy?

    One thing I can assure you is this, somewhere in the state of Texas there is a village missing the Village Idiot.
    Hell even his father, Bush senior, who I have personaly met and had coffee with, because he owns Duke Energy here in B.C. Canada, doesn't agree with all of his son's policies.
    Now there is a man I was completely impressed with, the way he talked, and the way he listened gave a great appearance to the way he held himself amoungst others.
     
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    This is as much a theory as the basic idea of liberalism. It would be so if everything works like the models and tests, but a real society and a real economy can't be predicted.
    Redistribution of wealth can help the economy, by giving previously very poor people some money to spend; most of the rich people who are taxed heavily still get to keep more than half of their income, which should be more than enough to keep spending. The idea is a progressive tax system, which taxes high incomes heavily from a certain level and below that level, even the extrmemely rich pay the same taxes as those with lower incomes.
     
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    Having travelled all ver the world, manyu places as a solier and more as a civilian I see many fine examples of how government systems work to better a population. With all the troubles we have in Canada, with corruption in both Provincial and Federal governments, I thank God I live in Canada. This does not infer that any other country is a bad country to live in, not at all.
    I believe in a Democratic system of goverment, even though we do need to tweek some aspects of our form of Democracy here in Canada by having an elected Senate, a non appointed head of the RCMP to ensure there is no political cronyism.
    Universal health care like the set up we have here in Canada is so superior in every way to service Canada's citizens. That's a definition of Canada as a sovereign nation.
    The growing rifts between having a home and food on the table vs. huge concentrations of wealth to so few is a concern. There are those in my immediate family that have a lot of money, no debts and their money just get more and more absurd.
    I find the biggest winnere in any tax benifit have been the wealthy, why because they can afford to pay for a high profile lobbyist, the poor in Canada cannot.

    The election structure must be changed so that any government that is elected with less than at least 50% +1 of the popular votes must form a minority government, otherwise that government cannot by defintion of elections within a Democracy, I' m not talking about a Republic here ok, cannot be considered a true reprentation of that nation's citizens. This is the only other change I would make to Canada's system.
     
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    I think America should go to a set percentage that everyone must pay for income tax. Everyone would pay the same percentage of their income. The actually rates would be different in relation to income.
    As I've already stated, I strongly oppose the redistribution of wealth. I would not mind paying a lot of taxes if it went to gov't improvements. But a lot of taxes goes straight to people who often don't deserve the money. The way the U.S. welfare system is set up, it encourages having illigitimate children with no father figure sticking around because there is more money there. Is this going to encourage people to settle down, marry and try to find a job in society? No.
     
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    but if you paid the same income taxes as someone like Brittny spears wouldn't you feel cheated becues you had to work harder for your money when all she did was sing, mybe if someone like donald trump had the same tax you might not feel cheated becuase he works for his money
     
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    It shouldn't matter what you do for a job, it should matter how much you make. The job is irrelevant.
     
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    the job is the reason u make so much money any way if you don't have the job then you don't have the income
     
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    Wouldn't that nice? Everyone paying the same. Problem is, the rich people make the rules and they don't want to pay more. And, if that happened, what do you know, a loophole from god!
     
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    Then you are not taxed for your income....
     
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    hello read it again i od not mena that you don't have a job i mean

    it that the type of job you have is what makes the income if you don't have a specific job then you don't have high income
     
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    This is called a proportional tax system and it makes the rich pay just as much relative taxes as the poor, except that the rich still get to keep a lot more in absolute cash. It means, basically, that those who can barely afford their daily food and rent lose the same percentage of their income as those who can afford a second private jet. It's less unfair than making everyone pay a set amount, but it still isn't getting the money from where it is abundant. It wouldn't ever be in accordance with the US mentality but IMO it is the best solution to let the rich make a greater contribution to a country's welfare because they have the money in stock; they can afford it. If I were a rich man I wouldn't mind paying more taxes over the money poor people never make anyway.
    As I said, something is seriously wrong in the American version of welfare state. This obviously doesn't work and it is also morally wrong. If something is changed in the treatment of tax revenues then the redistribution of wealth would find more followers even in the US.
     
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    For income tax in Canada, I don't know about the USA, this was set up across the nation to pay for the cost of fighting WWI. This income tax was promised to be eliminated once the gross cost was paid up. Well we all know that it hasn't and this is how those ninnies in Ottawa have ben able to get away with it.
    After I give the basis information to you, I will leave it up to you to do the digging; becaus ehe information in the banking system and federal taxation system huge and takes a study to understand, not a quick read.

    A Natural Person is defined as a person created by God.

    When you use your SIN number you are defining yourself as an artificial entity, a single corporation to the federal government as a taxable entity.

    People think they are taxed when this is an incorrect statement, it is not the person that is taxed for income it is the SIN number, the corporate identity that is being taxed. Not the person at all.

    This is present in the Bank Act of Canada and the Income Tax Act of Canada.

    Use the "Google Search Engine" or "All The Web Search Engine" and place in the bar "natural persons".

    I am not responsible for the sleepless situation in this fascinating field, good luck.

    A great example of this system being in place is in a court room. You can see this in a movie or TV show where there is the little hinged gate that everyone involved in the trial must walk through. Well this is the "Bar" and when you walk past that rail that extends all the way across a court room you are identifying yourself as an artificial identity to the Corporate State and it's juristiction; which is represented by the judge.

    This bar seperates Common law, for Natural Persons from Corporate Law. Corporate law cannot enter common law court.

    Ok well how do we identify ourselves as a Natural Person and how do we get a Natural Person Bank account to put our money in since it's not a good idea to carry a large some of cash?

    This is where I leave off the topic, search the net and try to find out yourself.

    Understand though that Social Security and Employment Insurance BVenifits are not accessible to a Natural Person since that person did not pay into these programs.

    Here is the Home Page link:

    http://www.natural-person.ca/

    Here is the WTO site that covers this as well:

    http://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/ser ... sons_e.htm
     
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    I believe i have a solution for all the US tax problems, tariffs! From the founding of our country to the early 20th century it was the main source of income. in fact there were several times when we had surpluses. It helps our economy by taxing cheaper non-American goods so that they will be competitive with our products.
     
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    But look we've broken off on another topic anain! Taxes. :)
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    Tariffs played a large role in causing the Great Depression. You sure you want to stay with that statement?
     
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    Re:the Shah, just pick up [/i]any encyclopedia and read the history of Iran
    Re:panama, I don't think a petty military dictator (Noriega) qualifies as a Central American democracy. The true mistake here was the U.S. decision (Jimmy Carter) to begin ceding control of the Panama Canal to Panama. Again, any encyclopedia will do.
    Re:pinochet, the U.S. assassinated him? Now that's a new one. A monster yes, but not killed by the U.S. A better choice would be Allende, a dedicated Marxist who was looking to turn Chile into a Soviet satellite. He was democratically elected (at first), but by the time we helped him out the door his days of being a duly elected leader were already over. We did replace one monster with another there, though. The only thing anyone can say about Pinochet is at least he wasn't a Marxist Monster.
    Re: El Salvador and Columbia. Columbia, yes you could say we are very involved down there in fighting the drug cartels, who have amassed large mercenary armies and are trying to turn the country into a drug junta. Your El Salvador allegation is about 15 years late.
     
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    Don't be an ass, of course the USA did not assassinated Agusto Pinochet, the CIA assassinated the elected leader in Chile, with a socialist agenda, and installed their American puppet.

    Should we begin talk about Cuba, or does the USA reserve exclusive rights on over throwing abusive foreign rule; taxation without representation?
    What's good for the goose is good for the gander I think the saying goes.

    The USA was formed with concrete reasons for revolutuion, so was Cuba'a reasons.
     
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    I think you're seeing this the wrong way around. By raising tariffs on cheaper foreign products, you enable American products to be competitive with them. Because the American products are more expensive they are less attractive to the consumers; tariffs raise the prices of imported goods and thus decrease the price gap between them and the American goods. Thus the latter will be able to compete with the former and not the other way around.
     
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    I feel the answer to a lot of issues in the USA is to not allow anyone to hold public or elected office who is an officer of a corporation or business owner whose assets exceed one million dollars or so.

    We need government by the people and FOR the people once again and not leaders that govern based on their own vested interests.

    :smok:
     

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