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  1. corpcasselbury

    corpcasselbury New Member

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    Actually, Roel, there are a number of political parties here in the USA. None of them, however, have the power, money, or membership numbers of the two major parties. Nevertheless, they all field candidates for president and other offices, actually winning some of the latter.
     
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    Well, that means the same doesn't it? There are only two people who actually stand a chance. In the Netherands, there are at least three major parties and a whole group of smaller ones.

    Just as an example, the Dutch parliament of today (150 members) is composed about like this:
    CDA, confessional centre party: 45 members
    PvdA, social democrats: 42 members
    VVD, liberals: 28 members
    SP, socialists: 9 members
    GroenLinks, environmentalists: 8 members
    LPF, populists: 8 members
    D'66, progressive liberals: 7 members (<- this party can be compared to the Democrats)
    CU, confessional left-wing party: 3 members
    SGP, confessional extremists: 2 members
     
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    the problem with this two party system is the fact that too amny people who actually want to run for a seat in Congress is that they have to join these parties. there are very few people in the houses of the US congress that don't belong to these houses
    i think that there are only about 10 or less indepentdent people in the senate and im not sure about the house
     
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    In Canada, we also have many parties, but the only one with the money and even a chance of winning the elections are the Liberals.
     
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    Hmm, over here (the money for) the campaign is much less of a factor. I see this as another edge of the Dutch system over the American one.
     
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    Over here, to run for major office requires extensive media exposure, especially television. Many voters these days want everything packaged in nice thirty second sound bites, since they have the attention span of an ice cube, at least for important matters. Unfortunately, important issues are seldom easily explained in so short an amount of time.
     
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    But it gets worse, don't worry! Many political ads no longer even talk about the issues, they are full of slander about the opponent. He did this, or she did that. Its terrible!
     
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    I got alot of American TV, so I have been seeing alot of campaigning in America. But you are right, these campaign commercials do nothing but tell you what you want to hear, pander to passion.

    Ah yes, I saw a Bush commercial and he was degrading John Kerry because he was against using body armor in Iraq. Theres a simple reason for that, there isn't the money to issue hundreds of thousands of expensive body armor to all the troops in Iraq.

    When someone only tells one side of an issue, that should bring up a red flag and you should think "Hey, theres something wrong with that."
     
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    Don't worry, Kerry does it, too. And it is sad to see what American politics have come to. However, believe it or not, it used to be *worse*!
     
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    I'm not going to talk taxes or things like that. Here is what i have to say about the war. People say that Bush was in a rush to go to war. When Iraq has been disregarding U.N. rules for ten years thats not much of a rush. Clinton shot a few bombs a them but only to make himself look tough. The WMD are in Iran or some other place or Sadam sent some troops out in the desert and told the them were to dig a hole and put the 5 gallon jug of anthrax in it and when they came back he shot them. Part of the war was based on Iraq supporting terrorism according to Fox News the person who cut the head of the American off on the tv was a high ranking al qada officer. Also with Americans troops in Iraq terrorsim is targeting them which makes me feel safer with them fighting over there then here. People are mad about Bush not going to Vietnam may i remind you Clinton when to Canada so he would not have to go there. People that say Bush stole the election are sore losers :cry: if thats what the law says that is way it is.
     
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    They seem to use this label for anyone who isn't behaving well and is a Muslem. If all those accused of being part of Al Qa'ida were actually terrorists, then the formation would count millions, literally. It's easily said that all bad Arabs are part of the same organization but of course they are not. There may be other organizations, but what I personally think is that most of those accused of ties with Bin Laden have none of such ties at all. They are simply given the label to make it easier to arrest them and punish them without trial.
    Indeed. It's unfair, but you can't do anything about it because it's legal, so thise who think he stole the election might as well stop nagging about it.
     
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    thie fox news person was referring to the AL Qa'ida group that is currently been orginized in Iraq they are not just making this up. it is true adn no they do not say all bad muslims are in Al Qa'ida
     
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    The guy on the vid was way too fat for ayman zharqawhi. This terrorist had a badly made artifical limb, he couldn't even stand properly, and on the vid he was swift and easy standing and kneeling.

    By the way, do you believe al'qaida uses the same prison cloths as the us military uses for the detinees?
     
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    are you implying that those were americans in the picture
     
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    no russians
     
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    first when you look very carefully to the video you can see that the weapons are not correct. IMI Galil and TE-9 rifles, halfway the video the 4 man next to the reader say something in russian or other slavic language.

    The american is sitting in the same plastic chair as used by us forces in abu ghraib. He wears the same prison suit, the walls have the same yellow color. Before he was released he was detained 13 days in abu ghraib prison.

    From a russian site I learned that a subcontractor of Custer Battles or Fairfax firm hired russian ex soldiers.

    Other details; he was found 10 may, the vid is dated 11 may, us time and date. I don't know if you saw the raw pictures but I can't see blood when they cut the head, I've seen vid's of beheadings by chechen terrorist to russian soldiers and there is a lot blood everywhere.

    It is really a strange video, it is in no way correct.
     
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    So are you suggesting that Mr. Berg was mudered by Russians working for an American company? Or do you have some other theory?
     
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    For the record, I am not suggesting anything. I noticed a series of strange details that cannot be explained by the official report.

    Look at the video yourself and specially at the details I mentioned, you'll notice there is something wrong about the whole story. The time on the video is also not correct.

    Just watch the death video.
    Note the white hands wielding the knife.
    Note the military stance of the hooded captors in the video...it's Parade Rest.
    Note the body language... the beefy size of the captors... not middle-eastern.
    Who are the guys in the video?
     
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    for one thing where did you get to see the whole video

    and why can't it be true that people from no middle-eastern nationjs can't be part of this terroists group, americans have joined these groups why not russiams
     

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