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Anton uncovers yet another conspiracy of the great Satan.

 

Only a conspiracy theorist could connect those things! (just kidding)

What would really be interesting would be if Custer Battles was a subsidary of Halliburton, and it could be proved that the men were Russia n and all the other ideas above.

 

the "prison clothes" were not prison clothes. i heard they were what muslim women wear under the burkas. it was supposed to be a humilation.

i think that the russians working for america theory has got to be the stupidest thing i've heard in a while. why in the world would you think that?

 

Ah another nickname for me conspiracy theorist!

Thank you

The video was on dutch television. You can see a part at orgrish.com.

 

First picture '' terrorist'' has MP5? in any case not iraqi standard weapon.




A frame picture, look at the right side of the frame picture.

 

who said these guys were Iraqi? the insurgents and terrorists in Iraq are mostly from out of country. you can buy a MP-5 anywhere on the black market. if they can get Ak's they can definately get one. these are terrorists, don't you think they could get that kind of weapon.
plus there are other weapons that look similar to the mp-5.

 

Look at the two frame pictures, you can see the time difference and the us style time.

You can't buy MP5's on the iraqi black market. Perhaps you can buy one of Uday's AKS-74u but not a mp5. AK's, Dragunov's, NDM-86, PK, PKM, RPD, Type 56, RPK-47/74, SKS, DsHk,NSV, RPG-7/18/22,Milan,HOT,SA-7/14/16 and PM/APS pistols are for sale in iraq.

 

I´m sick and tired with this Bush topic having discussed it at an American forum for months. So I just give you a link wich takes a more humoristic approach to this matter. Have a look. After all they say a picture tells you more than a thousand words. I think these comic drawers see things more clearly than many of us, no matter where one is from.

http://www.globecartoon.com/war/

 

I go back to the fact that the majority of insurgents and terrorists in Iraq are from out of country. They could buy them elsewhere. The MP-5 isn't only used by Americans.

 

I think the so called "Mahdi Army" which for the moment is the greatest treath for US troops is not foreign, but consists of shiite muslims from Iraq.Recent estimations think they are 20.000 and still growing rapidly.

There are certainly many foreign figthers, but most of them are actually iraqis.
It's the same for sunnite resistance in Fallujah, Tikrit....

 

Hmmm, there are some interesting questions Grasshopper!

 

Read the Book "9-11 The Big Lie" I was criticized by many in my circle, due to blinders on in the heat of patriotism, about the attack on the Pentagon. I always and will always state that no plane travelling at over 450 miles per hour did so little damage, left no aicraft wreckage, and left no visual pictures of an aircraft impacting on the security tapes of the parking lot of the Pentagon.

Why were the emergency radio frequencies in New York proper, not working that day, one to two hours before the attack? What was the radio intereference?
There were no sun spots to to this, I checked at the NASA Web site.
Construction does not do this, I know, that's my area of expertise.
The emergency transmiters are very strong and have had all the kinks worked out long before the Sept 11 attacks. I also am quite knowlegable in this field.
Six of the supposed highjackers that the USA claimed as the ones were responsible are still alive and well. Five in the USA today and one flying for an airline in Morocco. Ooops!

Read the book, you be the judge but something smells here, and I don't like the fact that it is so out in the open to consider it a conspiracy.

There is something wrong with the human gene pool if this is allowed to go any further without hard questions being asked and demanding answers.

Hmmm....?

 

9/11 The Big Lie belongs with the Chariots of the Gods. It is extremely selective in it's choice of "evidence" and interpretation of them. It belongs to the same garbage pile as the conspiracy theories of the British being behind the bombing of Pearl Harbor, and the allies murdering a million German POWs after WWII.

 

Hmm, how incredible could you get while still making a case? It always surprises me how selective choosing of sources gets conspiracy thinkers a case in anything they come up with. They always know how to find some kind of credible evidence for the most incredible ideas.

 

''They could buy them elsewhere'' = ''They could have had nbc weapons''

Looks like you are imitating someone.

Read something more about weapon trade in the middle east. Even the Hiz'bAllah (Hezbollah) has very limited stocks of american and european weaponry. Do you seriously believe iraqi insurgents can pay expensive german hardware even if they find a trader? The weapons captured by Mehdi army are us and british standard issue infantry rifles. Fal, M16a2,L86,M249 and dragon at. Not the specialist weaponry like the MP5.

There are foreign fighters in iraq, these fighters come in without weapons and get their weapons in iraq.

 

9/11 The Big Lie belongs with the Chariots of the Gods. It is extremely selective in it's choice of "evidence" and interpretation of them. It belongs to the same garbage pile as the conspiracy theories of the British being behind the bombing of Pearl Harbor, and the allies murdering a million German POWs after WWII.[/quote]

Sorry but lets make one thing clear, this isn't Chariots of the Gods. If you honestly believe that an air craft travelling at over 450 mph, that big, did that little damage and left absolutely no big chunks of wreckage then you need to get some serious help.
When I was serving in the engineers I never came across any collision, explosive or anything else that could blast and air craft into debris so small the naked eye cannot see. About the size of needles was the official line I remember from CNN News Channel.
If you have such a device then that is what belongs, truely, with the Chariots of the Gods; because it is not of this world.

I challenge anyone to come up with the physics that allowed this to happen. Please.

1). The book, 9-11 The Big Lie, never did say "they did this, they did that. What it does say, and quite clearly that something else happened that does not agree with the official story lines given by the authoriites.

2). Please try to read the "cause and effect" of the sentences, to seek out the truth of any of the statements in the book; any book.

3). Lastly that type of bullying really doesn't work with me, it never has and it never will. Every statement I have made I have provided the source material behind the information. I look forward to yours.

4). I guess the books "High Treason Below the Line, CIA Looking for Enemies, MAI Book #1 & 2, Fortunate Son also belong on the bonfire.

5). By the way I read the book Chariot of the Gods and it was a fun read into a deranged mind looking for something that just wasn't there.

 

That's a new one, who said the Brits were behind the bombing of Pearl Harbour?

Never heard that one before, perhaps like most people who try to intimidate others is: the persistent rumours of others, during that time period knew the attack was coming and tried to warn the USA. Like the Russians and the Brits secrete services.

Hey I know why not read the book, "And I was There", by an American Admiral that was there and decided to set history straight by telling the truth, regarding the events leading up to that attack?

 

Watch yourself, Anton... This might get nasty.

 

Totally agreed! 8)

 

Sorry but lets make one thing clear, this isn't Chariots of the Gods. If you honestly believe that an air craft travelling at over 450 mph, that big, did that little damage and left absolutely no big chunks of wreckage then you need to get some serious help.
When I was serving in the engineers I never came across any collision, explosive or anything else that could blast and air craft into debris so small the naked eye cannot see. About the size of needles was the official line I remember from CNN News Channel.
If you have such a device then that is what belongs, truely, with the Chariots of the Gods; because it is not of this world.

I challenge anyone to come up with the physics that allowed this to happen. Please.

1). The book, 9-11 The Big Lie, never did say "they did this, they did that. What it does say, and quite clearly that something else happened that does not agree with the official story lines given by the authoriites.

2). Please try to read the "cause and effect" of the sentences, to seek out the truth of any of the statements in the book; any book.

3). Lastly that type of bullying really doesn't work with me, it never has and it never will. Every statement I have made I have provided the source material behind the information. I look forward to yours.

4). I guess the books "High Treason Below the Line, CIA Looking for Enemies, MAI Book #1 & 2, Fortunate Son also belong on the bonfire.

5). By the way I read the book Chariot of the Gods and it was a fun read into a deranged mind looking for something that just wasn't there.
End of Mutant Poodle's post.


Here's what I think:
1) The title of the book says it all. The clear impication in the book is that U.S. government right-wingers and Jews were somehow behind the 9/11 attacks.
2) Huh?
3) No bullying intended, but then what did you mean with: "then you need to get some serious help". I don't think I'm in need of serious help,though my wife may disagree. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. The only source you've provided is "9/11 The Big Lie". There are a multitude of reports supporting the "official" version, I'm not going to list them all for you, but here's a quote from Pravda on the book for you: "To tell the truth, the book by Meyssan abounds in conjectures and empty conclusions unsupported by any documents. As for sources and expert estimates used in the book, the author as usual refers only to those sources that confirm his theory. Meyssan simply ignores sources that disagree.
On the whole, the author managed to achieve his main goal: his books are quickly bought up, and the author himself enjoys great popularity and earns great profits at that. Indeed, he can-t be blamed for being a cood capitalist and wanting to earn enough money to retire. Each of us earns a living the way we can." http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/08/24/35201.html
So I'm not the only one with this opinion of his work.

4) I've never read any of them, so I'll defer to your judgement. I have read a number of other well researched and argued books on malfeasence by the U.S. government ("All the President's Men", "The Best and the Brightest", etc.).
5) Charoit of the Gods is a fun read! I don't know if the author of The Big Lie is deranged, but I do think he is looking for something that just isn't there.

The energy involved in an aircraft hitting the ground at full speed is incredible. No other world physics is required to explain the distinegration. The plane that hit the penatgon did massive damage, even though the section of the Penatgonit hit had been just be reinforced (or is this more "proof" of the conspiracy?). One reason it doesn't look that impressive is the scale of the Pentagon. There were recognizable pieces of aircraft wreckage left over, the CNN quote is journalistic hyperbole. I'm an aircraft sturctural designer who worked on the 767 and I was very interested in the remains at all three sites. I looked for as many pictures as I could find. There was less left at the crash site in Pennsylvania than there was at the Pentagon. Aircraft crashes at high speed from altitude leave little in the way of recognizable parts.