I never have understood why movie makers insist on ruining a good story by changing historical truth. If they would just tell it the way it was, it would be so much better. If I wanted a fantasy movie, I'd watch one. When I want to watch a historical movie, I want history, not fantasy! One of my favorites: Patton (even though the AFV's are pure BS - budget constraints I guess)
In the case of Troy, it would be extremely difficult to stay on historical facts, as we do not really know them.
They could've at least based it on the Iliad instead of having it 'inspired' by this book. The epic is pretty much all we know of the war.
I'm so sad that people do not seek the real facts, they prefer the alternate story , like in pearl harbour or titanic, but in others point of view, is just $$$$$$, for example a movie i like a lot Tora, Tora, tora, it was a fiasco, $$$$$, but it was close to the history. Do you see my point?
Yeah, completely! Hollywood is just a dollar machine. Have you seen the Osysseus film? It was a TV(?) movie in two or three parts and it was really cool. I always watch the historical movies from my point of view of an archaeologist but on that one I couldn't find more than one or two mistakes...
That was a good version. We watched parts of it in english class (but i've seen the entire thing before).
Anyone seen Braveheart? We were shown bits of it in a seminar on Medieval warfare. The lecturer pointed out that it is all factually bull**it, but it does convey quite well the idea that Medieval battles were not very nice.
Of course I've seen Braveheart! The Netherlands are not free of Mel Gibson merchandizing! I am not to judge the accuracy of the movie because I know nothing of the Scottish wars of independence. But I do know that the movie gives quite a view of what a charismatic leader can do, and what medieval battles were like. That is, if you don't count the outcome, because disciplined troops will in almost every case trample straight over mobs. Especially when backed up by longbowmen.
As for the Scottish wars of independence the first English/Scottish king was a Scotsman. James I. of England, and VI. of Scotland, was the son of Mary Queen of Scots, by Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley, and was born June 19, 1566. In the following year Darnley was murdered, and Queen Mary being forced to resign the crown, James was solemnly crowned at Stirling, and all public acts ran in his name. Among the eminent scholars to whom the education of the young king was intrusted was the great historian and poet, George Buchanan. The Earl of Morton resigned the regency in 1578, but very soon had the chief power again in his hands, and retained it till the end of 1580. In 1582 the 'Raid of Ruthven' took place, and James was made captive by a party of the nobles. He regained his liberty in the following year. When it became apparent that the life of his mother was in danger he wrote to Queen Elizabeth, appealed to other courts for assistance, and assembled his nobles, who promised their support. The execution of Mary, however, took place; and though James prepared for hostilities, the inadequacy of his resources prevented him from engaging in actual war.
I saw the movie. Ok it is nice but if you want to learn what Homer say’s in the original story, because almost everything in the film has no resemblances with it, for example Achilles dies before Greeks get in Troy, you must read the Jljada(i am not sure how is the name of the book in english but in greek is Ιλιάδα).
The Illiad. I agree with you panathinaikos - and welcome to the forum by the way! I read the Illiad recently (borrowed it from a friend). If you want to read it, you will need to get a copy with a glossary of names at the back (very helpful) and you must be determined to wade through a long and rather confusing scene setting. A good read, and very different to the film.
I know NOTHING about this period of history, but I cracked up in the cinema when Helen returns to Troy, in the crowd scene a man is leading some llamas round...priceless! I realised then that the authenticity was pants! (Llamas are South American animals....they wouldn't have been there!) As a film I enjoyed it, the comedy value of the llamas was a bonus, as was Brad Pitt semi naked! :roll:
I guess we have to forgive you for this, because our discussion of the movie "Alexander" deteriorated into a discussion of Rosario Dawson's nude scene too. But why! Why! The Iliad is an historic epic, Troy is a Hollywood movie. No further questions.
i remebered the part in the movie were the greek ships start to land on the beach (brad pitt had to be the first to set foot on Troyish shore, as expected) anyway, was i the onlyone who thought that that scene was a copy of the landing in normandy??
its that god awfule ORLANDO BLOOM(not getting mad at u not 4 knowing that its just that pitt is better then him I HATE BLOOM SO MUCH AS A ACTOR i could get the girls from my school then they could probley tell u all of the characters and extras name. and Lord of the rings was 10X better at the sword fights and the what not but isnt that why hollywood makes movies just 2 make it amusing and orlando bloom and that one chick get it on all the time.
