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How to kill a Panther

Discussion in 'Tank Warfare of World War 2' started by Skua, Aug 1, 2004.

  1. Mutant Poodle

    Mutant Poodle New Member

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    You can clearly see that the enemy was trying to penetrate the driver's hatch, because of the groupings.
     
  2. Ricky

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    Maybe they'd read their booklets...
     
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    hello everyone
    i can translate the picture for you,just tell me what exactly are you interested in,because some ot the words are too small for me to read :)
     
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    As much as possible, please!
    Especially the key, where it shows what the various shell-pictures mean.
     
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    In general I want to say that all of the pictures explain how and where to penetrate
    the german armored vehicles("Panther" Tank and "Ferdinand" Artilery Unit),using
    anti-tank artilery(I don't know if it is correct to say "anti-tank guns").
    The first 2 pictures are actually parts from a whole one,named literally
    "Vunarable Places of "Panther" Tank".
    In short,the pictures show the actual vunerable parts of the german tank,like the
    engine in the back("Fire at the engine"),the fuel container on the left,etc.
    The upper sign of the first picture says:"Shooting at the tank's gun is suitable
    for evry caliber anti-tank gun".
    The numbers behind the shells are the suggested firing range.

    So lets explain the different kinds of shells(picture 2).
    The first one(two small parts) is PTR-Protivotankovi raketi(anti-tank missles).
    The second one is "Piercing and regular(exploding,I don't know the right translation)
    shells from all calibers of anti-tank guns"
    The third(black) is "Piercing shells"
    The fourth(red) is "Piercing shells from evry distance"
    The last(the small one) is "45 mm shell" - As I can see,they are only suitable for the
    chains.

    Let's go to the third picture.
    "Ferdinand" Artilery Unit
    The top sign explains where to throw something like the "Molotov" coctail.
    I guess you all know what means the hand granade,drawn at the top right corner :)
    The explanation of the different kinds of shells in the third picture is:
    1.of 45 mm gun
    2.of 76 mm gun
    3."The number in the shell is the caliber of the gun"
    4."Piercing and exploding shells of guns of evry caliber"
    5."Exploding shells of guns of evry caliber"

    I think everything else on the pictures is clear.
    Sorry for the bad translation and the bad english :)
    I wrote this very fast,because I don't have much free time,so sorry for the mistakes.
     
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    Thanks krasso, and welcome to the forum. :)
     
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    Yes, thank you Krasso. Much appreciated and welcome here.
     
  8. Ricky

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    That is perfect, thank you Krasso!
    And your English is good...
     
  9. Christian Ankerstjerne

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    Thanks for that translation, Krasso, and welcome to the forum.

    Regarding the ammunition types, the types you describe includes:
    AP (Armour-piercing - solid shot, which penetrated the armour and then bounce around inside the tank)
    APHE (Armour-piercing, high-explosive - penetrates the armour, and then detonates)
    HE (High-explosive - no armour-penetrating capabilities, relies completely on explosive power)

    Hope you find this helpful!
     
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    Thanks for the warm welcome :)
    I am quite familiar with the different kinds of shells but unfortunately I knew their names only in Bulgarian and Russian languages.
    So,thank you for the useful information.
     
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    for what I can understan the APHE works like this;

    detonate on the surface and the detonation is focused towards the front to produce a jet of molten metal that will penetrate the armor, i do not want to know the efect of this on the crew,gulp :eek:
     
  12. Christian Ankerstjerne

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    I though Armour-piercing, capped was to help defeat face hardened armour rather than sloped. The idea being the soft metal at the tip reduced the shock of impact and prevented the solid shot from breaking up.
     
  14. Christian Ankerstjerne

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    he explanation which I harĀ“ve read is, that the soft metal was mooshed out on the sloped surface, meaning that it was less likely to deflect off the armour...

    Christian
     
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    Hey this is nice! now we've got out own translator on the forums... Thanks a lot!
     
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    Hey, ya thank you very much!
     
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    Hey,no problem people! :)
    Just give it to me and I will...translate it.
    :)
     
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    Wish I could read that...
     
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    bump!
    No capped rounds were made to defeat fha, a well made capped round i,e british projectiles did incrase penetration v sloped armour.
    Also they despite losing penetration power on tests generaly increased performence in real life.
    i.e 6 pounder ap could rarely penetrate the tiger frontaly. the apcbc round on the other hand was another story.
     
  20. Danyel Phelps

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    Problem with your example is that no captured example of a Tiger IE had FH armor.
     

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