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  1. Doc phpbb3

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    German PanzerKampfWagon III (Pz.III)
    I'm sure somebody here can tell you the exact sub-type...
     
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    It a Panzerkampfwagen (Pz.Kpfw.) III 'Zugführerwagen' (not PanzerKampfWagon ;)). I believe it's an Ausf. G, but I'm not completely sure.

    Christian
     
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    The vehicle in the foreground looks like a Pzkpfw.III Ausf. E/F.
     
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    Picky picky...
    ;)
     
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    Sometime it's a real pain telling the exact model of the Panzer III and IV.
    Between tanks being rebuilt,upgraded or modified,a particular vehicle could have features unique to several different original models.
     
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    What is a Zugfuhrerwagen?How can you tell?I have to know.
     
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    It is definatley not an E or F - the mantlet is wrong. It is either an Ausf. G, H or early J. Looking closer at the photograph, the radio operators machine gun mount is circular, which makes it an early Ausf. J.

    It isn't really that difficult to tell the difference if you get a high-quality photograph, but the above only have the most obvious details. The largest problem is telling a Pz.Kpfw. III Ausf. E from a Pz.Kpfw. III Ausf. F, because there was no real difference on the exterior.

    'Zugführerwagen' was simply the code name for the Pz.Kpfw. III, just like Begleitswagen was the code name for the Pz.Kpfw. IV.
     
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    German PanzerKampfWagon III (Pz.III)

    You have it right.
     
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    its an Ausf J one of the first models. early 1942 probably January to March in N Africa
     
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    Thanks for the quick answers to all of you !
     
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    So it IS a panzerkampfwagen, you're only referring to some other name! :roll:
     
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    It is Panzerkampfwagen, yes - but not PanzerKampfWagon, as first written.

    Panzerkampfwagen was the generic word for all the regular tanks, just like Panzerjäger was the generic temr for all tank destroyers. Zugführerwagen was a code name, just like Landwirtschaftlicher Schlepper and Begleitswagen (whereas Panther and Tiger were the actual names, i.e. Panzerkampfwagen Panther or Panzerkampfwagen Tiger).
     
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