"Other Losses"

Indeed? And just what is your source for that figure? I have studied WW2 and its aftermath for some time, and I never heard of that. And I find it extremely hard to believe that the Western Allies would allow such a thing to happen.

 

ya need to learn quite a bit then... the "wasteage" rate for german POW's alone 1945-1947 averaged 140,000 a month in allied ( American and British) custody. The allied commisions shut down the german phospate industry postwar. Germany was not self sufficient in food supplies so a large percent of all foodstuffs were imported. The German economy was non existent and their debt was immense. The Marshall plan didnt kick in until 1949. Livestock was seized as reperations and the main agricultural areas of pomerania and prussia were handed to poland and russia. Potatoes were the dietary staple of the german civilian population and the Colorado beetles devastated all the german crops for years.

Regardless of your views to the contrary. Where did the Germans get their food from 1945-1949 ? And if they didnt get food... whay happened to them ?

Eisenhower to this day ranks with Idi Amin , Hitler and Stalin in sheer numbers of innocents killed under his direct control.

 

Pure BS. The "other causes" conspiracy was debunked long ago.

 

Was never debunked by anyone, The Democrats were in office and buried it, cus a lot of their Icons were still in power.There is factual documentation showing arrivals, "wasteage" and releases. In a modern postwar world the fact that the "wasteage" occured for years and years without relief nor comment from the political leadership of the responsible powers points only to government policy at the top levels. The German prisoners were kept in the open, unsheltered with no provisions for feeding and and sanitation.
The real question is with no farmland, fertilizer or money... And with the only remaining food crop - Potatoes.. destroyed by allied biological warfare. How did the German civilian population eat ? And if they didnt eat for 2 years ... what happened to them ?

 

Friends of mine, who's parents came to Canada after WWII can verify the fact of the mass starvation of the German population after the war. This is a fact and has never been "debunked", the state that belongs up there with little green/grey aliens running the White House.
Everything that moved was seized by the Allies at wars end, my relatives that were there in Germany right after the war can also verify that fact.

For comparing Idi to Einsenhower is a bit of a stretch though.

 

Im sorry but he made me soooooooo mad :angry: :bang:

 

Everyone starved in the years following the war - even us Brits.
Rationing actually became stricter here post-war than during the war.

I find it hard to believe that the Americans would do something as monumentally dumb as release masses of Colorado Beetles into Germany, as beetles are no respecters of national frontiers, and would gleefully spread across the whole damn Continent.
P.S: where did they get the beetles from?
And if you say 'Colorado'...

 

post subject

Ricky, let me assure you, we did not starve after the war, nor during the war, there were quite a few things we did not get, bananas, oranges, sweets, but we did have, whale meat, dried egg, dried milk, rose hip syrup, but starve? never!
(before anyone jumps in, tongue in cheek again!)
There was a strict law against slaughtering but there were quite a lot of three legged pigs running about in the countryside!!!

 

You don't need bio warfare to seriously screw up food production.

Remember 1940s agriculture is a very manpower intensive industry. Post war much of this manpower will be pushing up daisies. Horses not tractors are the norm. Unfortunately the German army need thousands of horse to get from A to B. Much of Germany I believe isn't great farming land and needs fairly serious amounts of fertilizer. However what they make fertilizer out of are also important war resources. Finally growing food is one thing you still have to be able to get it too where it is needed. If your transport infrastructure is shot to hell this becomes a challenge.


What always amazes me is when you consider what a balls governments make of most things its amazing how good some people believe they are at 'covering things up'.

 

Ok, maybe not 'starve'( ), but not exactly living off the fat of the land...
From what I have read (and heard from my grandparents etc) things were worse immediately post-war. And that was in Britain, which had not been the scene of full-scale land warfare...

 

Fertilizer was a no go - the germans had drastically cut nitrateproduction from fertilizer to explosives.. after the war the allies refused to let the chemical factories restart fertilizer production.

 

and why is this topic in tanks ?

 

Well think about this fact, how many tons of female urine containing human estrogen, used for birth control pills, are flushed into our fresh water? Now that is scary.

One last point, the Norweigen Pine Beetle, now in BC Canada, has devoured more pine forests than our wild fires, that means that 20% of British Columbia's forests are dead. Texas can be fit into BC several times over, now do you get the picture on the scale of destuction?

Is there not an Island, where the Brits were experimenting on Bio - warfare that is off limits even today?

 

Same here when you put up "facts' like those. The "other causes" has been debunked. Look around a (very) little and you'll see it, for instance on this forum.
Sorry if the facts don't fit your prejudices.

 

Hey, here's a little bit of information for you.

In 1948, trying to force the Western Allies to surrender their zones to him, Stalin had the Western sectors of Berlin completely shut off from the outside world. No food or cargo was let through the Soviet blockade. The Western Allies therefore combined their strength to launch the Air Bridge; for more than half a year planes landed in the middle of the besieged city every two or three minutes, bringing food to save the Berlin population from starving.

How does this fit into your story?

Also, what gave you the idea that Eisenhower was in charge of the American zone? From july 19th to november 18th 1945, yes. But after that he was Chief of Staff of the US army. You can't really blame him for four years of 'atrocities' 'commited' after he left.

 

You can go on them, just be careful and wear a lot of protection.

 

Ah, so we wrap ourselves in a full sized 'French Safe'?

 

For a 'young'n' Roel you do make a good point, on the the last post.

 

Interesting, because German POWs (in British camps) were fed standard British army rations, which means they recieved more food than the British civilian.
This was discovered, civilians got snotty, and it was changed, I think in late '45 or '46.

 

The Other Price of Hitler's War
German Military and Civilian Losses Resulting From World War II




Martin K. Sorge
Book Code: SGO/
ISBN: 0-313-25293-9
DOI: 10.1336/0313252939
195 pages , bibliog.
Greenwood Press
Publication Date: 7/23/1986
List Price: $85.00 (UK Sterling Price: £48.99)
Availability: In Stock

Media Type: Hardcover




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject Category: Military Studies
Sub-Category: Military Studies (General)

Series Title: Contributions in Military Studies
Series Number: 55

Reviews:
“In this important book, the German-born author has detailed German deaths in WW II, civilian and military, because he feels there is an inadequate knowledge in the English-speaking world of Germany's losses. His compilation includes those lost in the regular ground forces, the navy, the air force, the special forces; deaths inflicted by partisans; prisoner-of-war deaths; losses among the civilian population; and those who died resisting Hitler. Final chapters cover the deaths of German women raped by Soviet troops; deaths of Germans who fled westward escaping Russian armies; those expelled from East German territories; and those executed after war crimes trials. Sorge's book is a massive, somber summation of the price Germans paid for fighting Hitler's war ... this book ought to be in every collection on the history of WW II.”


- Choice

LC Card Number: 86-409
LCC Class: D757
Dewey Class: 940.53